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untermensch

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Jun 13, 2004, 4:40:15 AM6/13/04
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Just applied for a new Permit To Aqquire and got it back in under a month.
Much better than the 16 weeks I was advised of.


The Raven

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Jun 13, 2004, 6:22:21 AM6/13/04
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"untermensch" <sp...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> Just applied for a new Permit To Aqquire and got it back in under a month.
> Much better than the 16 weeks I was advised of.

Which state? I'm about to send mine off before the local cop shop gets sick
of holding the rifle for me and does something stupid like dispose of it.

Yikes, I found the serial number for the rifle and it's only one alpha and
four digits! What does that say about it's age?

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untermensch

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Jun 14, 2004, 1:39:27 AM6/14/04
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NSW


melinda

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Jun 14, 2004, 9:32:48 PM6/14/04
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The Raven <swils...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> "untermensch" <sp...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> news:PpUyc.18811$sj4....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > Just applied for a new Permit To Aqquire and got it back in under a month.
> > Much better than the 16 weeks I was advised of.

That's good time, my two recently seemed to take forever to arrive.

> Which state? I'm about to send mine off before the local cop shop gets sick
> of holding the rifle for me and does something stupid like dispose of it.

> Yikes, I found the serial number for the rifle and it's only one alpha and
> four digits! What does that say about it's age?

Don't you have a dealer close by that could hold for you instead?

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The Raven

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Jun 15, 2004, 5:50:38 AM6/15/04
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"melinda" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> The Raven <swils...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > "untermensch" <sp...@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
> > news:PpUyc.18811$sj4....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > Just applied for a new Permit To Aqquire and got it back in under a
month.
> > > Much better than the 16 weeks I was advised of.
>
> That's good time, my two recently seemed to take forever to arrive.

In Vic I've heard the average approval time is about 21 days. Can't confirm
that though.

>
> > Which state? I'm about to send mine off before the local cop shop gets
sick
> > of holding the rifle for me and does something stupid like dispose of
it.
>
> > Yikes, I found the serial number for the rifle and it's only one alpha
and
> > four digits! What does that say about it's age?
>
> Don't you have a dealer close by that could hold for you instead?

The owner moved interstate, didn't want the hassle of transferring license
etc, and needed to disassemble his storage rather early. In the rush to
pack, he simply took it to the local police station. Now it's there, only he
can get it out.....until the paperwork for me to acquire it is sorted.

Speaking to the local gun shops, the chance of them mistakenly sending it to
destruction is much higher. Then there is the inevitable "That gun is
rubbish and you need a new one, I have just what you need".

I want the gun more for sentimental value (family rifle), with the odd trip
to the range for a bit of fun. I'll get something more appropriate for
regular use.

bishop

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Jun 15, 2004, 7:33:53 PM6/15/04
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If you already have a rifle and buying another one it will only take 7 days
well it should i think lindsay's took about 14 days maybe longer and thats
in VIC. I sent one off last week to purchase a CZ .22LR so should see that
coming back soon.


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bishop

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Jun 15, 2004, 11:17:59 PM6/15/04
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Well what do you know it came in the mail this afternoon im off to pay the$9
and go to the Gun shop.

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Gazza

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Jun 16, 2004, 4:17:01 AM6/16/04
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On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 09:33:53 +1000, "bishop"
<clayton.l...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

>If you already have a rifle and buying another one it will only take 7 days
>well it should i think lindsay's took about 14 days maybe longer and thats
>in VIC. I sent one off last week to purchase a CZ .22LR so should see that
>coming back soon.
>

You VICs are lucky, My last PTA took 10 weeks. Mailed a nasty letter
to my local state member(a shooter) on the way to work, got home from
work that afternoon (you can see it comin') and the PTA was sitting in
the letter box - can't win

Gazza

The Raven

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Jun 16, 2004, 5:35:13 AM6/16/04
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"bishop" <clayton.l...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> If you already have a rifle and buying another one it will only take 7
days
> well it should i think lindsay's took about 14 days maybe longer and thats
> in VIC. I sent one off last week to purchase a CZ .22LR so should see that
> coming back soon.

Nope, never had a rifle of my own before so I expect it to take far longer
and lead to a visit from the local police to inspect the storage facility.
Suffice to say, it's the same cabinet that it was stored in previously just
relocated and more securely mounted than before.

Lindsay

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Jun 16, 2004, 6:30:44 AM6/16/04
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The Raven wrote:
>
> "bishop" <clayton.l...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> news:40cf8780$0$6200$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
> > If you already have a rifle and buying another one it will only take 7
> days
> > well it should i think lindsay's took about 14 days maybe longer and thats
> > in VIC. I sent one off last week to purchase a CZ .22LR so should see that
> > coming back soon.
>
> Nope, never had a rifle of my own before so I expect it to take far longer
> and lead to a visit from the local police to inspect the storage facility.

I havent had a visit yet... :0

[following is for in Vic]
My understanding is if you've never owned a rifle/gun before, then you
have to wait 28 days before the LSB will issue. If you are already a
permit (permit being different from licence..) holder, and you apply
for another permit, there should only be a (approx) 7 day delay.

The LBB apparently look at the licence number, and see if there is a
firearm *attached* to that number. THAT is how they deem if you've
owned a rifle/gun before. If yes, 7 days. If no, 28 days.

I had a bit of a cock-up, where I traded in my .22mag on a .223
and the paperwork for the .22 supposedly wound up at LSB before the
papers for the .223, thus meaning I didnt/hadnt owned a firearm,
so I had to wait a long time (probably 28 days, but I didn't count)
for the PTA to appear for the .223.

I ended up asking for my .22mag back (trade-in wasnt worth it in
the end) so I had to do all the paperwork for it again...

regards

Lindsay

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The Raven

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Jun 16, 2004, 7:11:46 AM6/16/04
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"Lindsay" <lind...@hornet.net.au> wrote in message
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>
>
> The Raven wrote:
> >
> > "bishop" <clayton.l...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:40cf8780$0$6200$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
> > > If you already have a rifle and buying another one it will only take 7
> > days
> > > well it should i think lindsay's took about 14 days maybe longer and
thats
> > > in VIC. I sent one off last week to purchase a CZ .22LR so should see
that
> > > coming back soon.
> >
> > Nope, never had a rifle of my own before so I expect it to take far
longer
> > and lead to a visit from the local police to inspect the storage
facility.
>
> I havent had a visit yet... :0

The seller of the rifle never had it registered until some years back
(Hoddle street). His license lapsed a few years back and it took the
reigstry another 3 years to realise it, by that time he had given me the
firearm to hold. Of course, they considered that inappropriate (despite me
being registered) but I can appreciate that. The firearm then went to the
cop shop while his license and storage was sorted.

Now he's moved and hence I'm "inheriting" the firearm.

>
> [following is for in Vic]
> My understanding is if you've never owned a rifle/gun before, then you
> have to wait 28 days before the LSB will issue.

Never owned, despite being licensed for about the last 20 years.

> If you are already a
> permit (permit being different from licence..) holder, and you apply
> for another permit, there should only be a (approx) 7 day delay.

Permit being the permit to acquire?

> The LBB apparently look at the licence number, and see if there is a
> firearm *attached* to that number. THAT is how they deem if you've
> owned a rifle/gun before. If yes, 7 days. If no, 28 days.

So it's more of a beauracratic waiting period than a "We better recheck this
guy because it's strange he's never owned a firearm, better check his
storage to".

> I had a bit of a cock-up, where I traded in my .22mag on a .223
> and the paperwork for the .22 supposedly wound up at LSB before the
> papers for the .223, thus meaning I didnt/hadnt owned a firearm,
> so I had to wait a long time (probably 28 days, but I didn't count)
> for the PTA to appear for the .223.
>
> I ended up asking for my .22mag back (trade-in wasnt worth it in
> the end) so I had to do all the paperwork for it again...

I want to keep this rifle for sentimental reasons and that it will inspire
me to get something decent and go shooting again. I suspect the cost of a
cleaning kit will probably exceed it's monetary value..................

PS. Reminds myself to send off the paperwork.

bishop

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Jun 16, 2004, 8:31:59 PM6/16/04
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hahah yeh thats allways the way did you get a letter back from your local
state member?

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Lindsay

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Jun 17, 2004, 5:22:07 AM6/17/04
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And hang onto it too...

>
> > If you are already a
> > permit (permit being different from licence..) holder, and you apply
> > for another permit, there should only be a (approx) 7 day delay.
>
> Permit being the permit to acquire?

Yup.



> > The LBB apparently look at the licence number, and see if there is a
> > firearm *attached* to that number. THAT is how they deem if you've
> > owned a rifle/gun before. If yes, 7 days. If no, 28 days.
>
> So it's more of a beauracratic waiting period than a "We better recheck this
> guy because it's strange he's never owned a firearm, better check his
> storage to".

Yeah.. it was supposed to slow down the nasty impulses. :)
Still havent had a storage check, and not frightened of it happening
either.

> > I had a bit of a cock-up, where I traded in my .22mag on a .223
> > and the paperwork for the .22 supposedly wound up at LSB before the
> > papers for the .223, thus meaning I didnt/hadnt owned a firearm,
> > so I had to wait a long time (probably 28 days, but I didn't count)
> > for the PTA to appear for the .223.
> >
> > I ended up asking for my .22mag back (trade-in wasnt worth it in
> > the end) so I had to do all the paperwork for it again...
>
> I want to keep this rifle for sentimental reasons and that it will inspire
> me to get something decent and go shooting again. I suspect the cost of a
> cleaning kit will probably exceed it's monetary value..................

Not at all... the cheapest rifle I know of is a Stirling .22 and they
are still good enough to knock over a rabbit. Imagine what your
rifle will be worth in 30 years?.. 50 years?.. 100 years?

Thats the reason I kept my .22 mag. I was offered $200 for it (scope
and mounts included),as a trade in and I took it 'coz I thought
the wife would have a shit-fit when I came home with a .223 for $1500
after I told her I was spending $800.. She didnt. (bloody women, ya
just cant figure 'em out sometimes.) So I told the gun shop guys I
wanted it back, and it now sits in the safe awaiting my young 5yo
bloke to ask if he can go shoot a rabbit. He'll get the one bullet
one rabbit treatment, like he should.

It'd cost me a lot more than $200 to supply him with a rifle and
scope, (cost me $600!) and besides, it's good fun blasting spuds
at 70-100 metres!

Hope this works.. http://www.hornet.net.au/spud.mpg
The young bloke likes it already :)

regards

Lindsay

>
> PS. Reminds myself to send off the paperwork.
>
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Jun 17, 2004, 5:57:30 AM6/17/04
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"Lindsay" <lind...@hornet.net.au> wrote in message
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That what I plan to do! We can all see where it's heading but it will never
result in a decrease in firearm related crimes etc........ (not wanting to
get into a political debate)

>
> >
> > > If you are already a
> > > permit (permit being different from licence..) holder, and you apply
> > > for another permit, there should only be a (approx) 7 day delay.
> >
> > Permit being the permit to acquire?
>
> Yup.

>
> > > The LBB apparently look at the licence number, and see if there is a
> > > firearm *attached* to that number. THAT is how they deem if you've
> > > owned a rifle/gun before. If yes, 7 days. If no, 28 days.
> >
> > So it's more of a beauracratic waiting period than a "We better recheck
this
> > guy because it's strange he's never owned a firearm, better check his
> > storage to".
>
> Yeah.. it was supposed to slow down the nasty impulses. :)

No nasty impulses here, I've had far more rigorous checks than this firearm
stuff.

> Still havent had a storage check, and not frightened of it happening
> either.

Funnily, neither did the previous owner when he finally registered the gun
(after owning it for over 40 years). The storage system I'm using is basic
but was recommended by the local police. I've gone a step or two further
than their recommendations though. Sure, IF someone REALLY wanted to they
could get in but they'll make a hell of a racket doing so (note: retired
police officer lives next door and a whole swag of them are just up the
road....)

>
> > > I had a bit of a cock-up, where I traded in my .22mag on a .223
> > > and the paperwork for the .22 supposedly wound up at LSB before the
> > > papers for the .223, thus meaning I didnt/hadnt owned a firearm,
> > > so I had to wait a long time (probably 28 days, but I didn't count)
> > > for the PTA to appear for the .223.
> > >
> > > I ended up asking for my .22mag back (trade-in wasnt worth it in
> > > the end) so I had to do all the paperwork for it again...
> >
> > I want to keep this rifle for sentimental reasons and that it will
inspire
> > me to get something decent and go shooting again. I suspect the cost of
a
> > cleaning kit will probably exceed it's monetary value..................
>
> Not at all... the cheapest rifle I know of is a Stirling .22 and they
> are still good enough to knock over a rabbit. Imagine what your
> rifle will be worth in 30 years?.. 50 years?.. 100 years?

Did a search on the web, only one mention of the exact model and that was by
a collector selling it (who no longer has it). Would appear it was a basic
"boys rifle".

Would be interested to find out more about it, just for curiosity sake.
Doubt it will ever be worth anything beyond sentimental value.

> Thats the reason I kept my .22 mag. I was offered $200 for it (scope
> and mounts included),as a trade in and I took it 'coz I thought
> the wife would have a shit-fit when I came home with a .223 for $1500
> after I told her I was spending $800.. She didnt. (bloody women, ya
> just cant figure 'em out sometimes.) So I told the gun shop guys I
> wanted it back, and it now sits in the safe awaiting my young 5yo
> bloke to ask if he can go shoot a rabbit. He'll get the one bullet
> one rabbit treatment, like he should.

Saw a similar model to what I'm getting for sale in a gun shop a year or two
ago $30....... I think it would be worth more in parts. Maybe in another 50
years...............

>
> It'd cost me a lot more than $200 to supply him with a rifle and
> scope, (cost me $600!) and besides, it's good fun blasting spuds
> at 70-100 metres!

Hmmm, no provision for a scope and I suspect the barrel is rather worn
(estimated 4000+ rounds) despite it being well cared for in its shooting
days. Last time I know if fired was approx 15-20 years ago..

> Hope this works.. http://www.hornet.net.au/spud.mpg
> The young bloke likes it already :)

Nice, was that scoped or not?

Gazza

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Jun 17, 2004, 7:26:28 AM6/17/04
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I received 2 letters from my local MP. The shock was too much, had to
have a beer. Even received a reply from the police minister - had to
have 2 beers. Standard politician BS.
BUT all will be better in the future. Our hard working politicians
have come up with the perfect answer, they are going to charge us more
for our licenses. $200 for a 5 year license. That will lower the crime
rate - NOT

Gazza

The Raven

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Jun 17, 2004, 8:26:45 AM6/17/04
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"Gazza" <gaz...@UPU2optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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> I received 2 letters from my local MP. The shock was too much, had to
> have a beer. Even received a reply from the police minister - had to
> have 2 beers. Standard politician BS.
> BUT all will be better in the future. Our hard working politicians
> have come up with the perfect answer, they are going to charge us more
> for our licenses. $200 for a 5 year license. That will lower the crime
> rate - NOT

I was lucky enough to get a 10 year licence just before they stoped them.
Stupidly, I think I renewed the recent one for one or three years (must
look). Surprisingly, there was a cutoff date for the payment which I missed
due to a public holiday (who's idea is it to have a cutoff date on a public
holiday?). No problems, the bank processed it anyway and I got my license.

Next renewal I'll go for the longest period I can. This having to fill in
the same forms over and over is a bit painful and a lot stupid.

Lindsay

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Jun 18, 2004, 6:06:02 AM6/18/04
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The Raven wrote:

> > And hang onto it too...
>
> That what I plan to do! We can all see where it's heading but it will never
> result in a decrease in firearm related crimes etc........ (not wanting to
> get into a political debate)

Me neither.. :)

> > Still havent had a storage check, and not frightened of it happening
> > either.
>
> Funnily, neither did the previous owner when he finally registered the gun
> (after owning it for over 40 years). The storage system I'm using is basic
> but was recommended by the local police. I've gone a step or two further
> than their recommendations though. Sure, IF someone REALLY wanted to they
> could get in but they'll make a hell of a racket doing so (note: retired
> police officer lives next door and a whole swag of them are just up the
> road....)

heh.. it's in everyones interest to make sure their guns and ammo are
stored correctly...

when I was in the throe's of buying my .223, I started thinking about
storage..
I rang the local district firearms officer and asked if my storage for
my .22
was ok for a .223, and he just said "Yeah, sure!" like I was an idiot
for asking.
I've got his name, so if there's ever any drama.....

> > Not at all... the cheapest rifle I know of is a Stirling .22 and they
> > are still good enough to knock over a rabbit. Imagine what your
> > rifle will be worth in 30 years?.. 50 years?.. 100 years?
>
> Did a search on the web, only one mention of the exact model and that was by
> a collector selling it (who no longer has it). Would appear it was a basic
> "boys rifle".

Maybe now... it's definatly not worth getting rid of...

> Saw a similar model to what I'm getting for sale in a gun shop a year or two
> ago $30....... I think it would be worth more in parts. Maybe in another 50
> years...............

Yup. Once again, it's not worth getting rid of. If you had to go and buy
a .22
I'll bet you wont get one for $30.00!

> > It'd cost me a lot more than $200 to supply him with a rifle and
> > scope, (cost me $600!) and besides, it's good fun blasting spuds
> > at 70-100 metres!
>
> Hmmm, no provision for a scope and I suspect the barrel is rather worn
> (estimated 4000+ rounds) despite it being well cared for in its shooting
> days. Last time I know if fired was approx 15-20 years ago..

get your PTA, and then think about spending a few hundred on a more
modern
.22 and a scope.

> > Hope this works.. http://www.hornet.net.au/spud.mpg
> > The young bloke likes it already :)
>
> Nice, was that scoped or not?

Yeah. My eyesight isn't as good as it used to be, so I need a scope.
It's a
nikko-stirling 3-9 x 40, and I think I've settled on about 6 x
I only use it now for mucking around, spuds are good cox you can tell
easily
if you've hit it. :) Critters would be better, but there's not a huge
abundance where I shoot..

regards

Lindsay

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