Evolution is blind faith.

Atheism religion!

:-).

Assumption taken as fact. They simply believe what they are told and
are guilty of the very thing they accuse theists.




Michael Christ

--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

On Sat, 25 Jan 2020 18:06:25 +1100, Michael Christ
<jesusisth...@hotmail.con> wrote:

>Atheism religion!

Theistic evolution.
You saying it takes a God to create the mess we are in.


Can you tell me why the most awesome force, God, is unable or
unwilling to make his wishes known {{to all}} in an unambiguous
and non threatening way?


>Michael Christ

Not so.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html

--
I have spoken.

https://twitter.com/LinuxGal

I can tell you what you have been denying all along.

God has made his wishes known in several ways, none of it in a
threatening way.

One is, that he has already revealed himself to you in such a way as
you know down deep inside that there is a God. That was a one on one
experience that you had and refused to deal with. (this is mentioned
in the Bible)

The other major way is that you have available to you the Word of God
in a written form. In it he mentions the failures of men to follow
him, including that of the Jew. He shows what the side effects are for
not doing what you know to be correct in your heart. The normal laws
of getting along in society. He tells you about your future existence
to your benefit or detriment that is a result of your actions.

Never once has the book snuck up and hit you on the head, Never once
has it opened itself and shouted at you, and never once has it
commanded you to do anything. Now, there may come a time, such as in a
calamity of some sort where the Bible near you has opened to a
specific page, if so then pay attention. :)

Jesus did not come here to condemn you but to present to all men Good
News. And that was foretold in the Old Testament by men of God.
--
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
(Heb 11:6 KJV)

We are told lf we don't follow God's wishes as determined by an
individual person or group we will be punished for eternity.
That sounds like a threat to me.
How does that fit with Hebrews 11:6?
With such an important thing why does God not ensure that
we all receive the correct message in an unambiguous way?
The bible does say we are commanded to love God.
The bible describes God as a bumbling idiot that can't get anything
right. That doesn't sound like good news.

Can you tell me why the most awesome force, our creator, is unable

On Sun, 26 Jan 2020 07:07:14 +1100, Lucifer
But was that man or God that said that? It sounds to me like it was
mankind that told you that based on what you wrote.
You tell me, I see no relationship there.
Not everyone hears in the same manner. Many assume different things
when they hear certain words. But when he speaks to mans heart they
hear it straight up. But then Satan also seeks to put his 3 cents in
and we need to be wise and verify.
Yes, it does, but to the Jew who signed a contract.

And in one place it says to do that if you want heaven and eternal
life.
I have not read such a bible. Are you sure that is not a product of
your imagination?
He did, in the Word of God, scripture. Jesus taught it in the Gospels
and he specifically said that he came here not to condemn, but to
save.
So who is it that has given you a distorted message? It certainly is
not God.

Then explain how this Wuhan 2019-nCoV virus has come into existence.
There is only one possibility: evolution.

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Nope. there is Satan, the Destroyer

The only way I have of hearing about God is through man.
Hebrews 11:6, KJV: "But without faith it is impossible to please him:
rewarder of them that diligently seek him." ... Anyone who wants to
come to him must believe that God exists and that he rewards those
who sincerely seek him."

If we know there is God we can't have faith and God will not
be pleased.
Is God unable to ensure that we all receive the correct message
in an unambiguous way?
If we did the problems would not arise.
That's ambiguous.
I don't believe love can be commanded.
The bible is available on line.
God created perfectly but then decided to downgrade us.
God then acted surprised that the downgrading had such a drastic
effect. God tried to correct His errors by world wide genocide but
failed because He did not change His design. God set His people
against each other in war after war.

What sort of God creates a world where life feeds off life and
only the strongest survive?
Christians can't agree what God wants of us so obviously God has
not made His wishes known to all in an unambiguous way.

Linuxgal wrote:
> Not so.
>
> http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
>

Show me the money, sexy gal, all you have there is assumption on
assumption. Show me you understand what is being said and are not just
indoctrinated with words they tell you.

I assume you agree that assumption is not the same as fact?

On Sun, 26 Jan 2020 09:07:17 +1100, Lucifer
No, you can pick up a Bible and read it.
If you actually did I would start off in the NT
From where did you come up with that?

Faith stems from reading the word of God.
If you read the bible and ask him to reveal himself to you in
sincerity.
Satan is always hanging around to steal and confuse. so it would
depend on you and your focus.
In what way? The law was given to Jews, not the Gentiles, (the Non-
Jew), and they had to vote on it. Accept it with its pluses and
minuses. No one else was under that law agreement. Even though some
"Christian religions" try to make it appear so.
Because you do not know what Love is. You have to chose it, not fake
it.
Then show the link.
None of that is truth.
Not God the Father, not the God of the Bible.
It is all there in the Bible to read and see, even the descriptions of
what is a believer and what is not.
--
(Heb 11:6 KJV)

Are you for real??

From the present state of stuff!

How's that? :-).

No thanks are necessary.

told =
are =
But that's the world we have, Robert. So who created it?

Which means evolution.


> How's that? :-).


Not bad.


> No thanks are necessary.


What about a middle finger?


> Michael Christ

That is the world we ended up with after the fall of Adam.
--
(Heb 11:6 KJV)

Satan was created by God, the Destroyer, right?
That means if you have evidence of God He is not happy!

Reading the bible is still hearing about God through man.
Hebrews 11:6, KJV
Faith is belief without evidence.
I think you missed my point.
I wish to know if God is unable to ensure that we all receive the
correct message in an unambiguous way.
Am I to understand from that God is unable to ensure that we
They find it ambiguous.
So you agree that love can't be commanded.
Love must be earned.
Do a google search for "full bible online".
There are many.
It's what the bible says.
Where do you believe it is wrong?
What do you see as God's function?

What is being said is that two populations were observed to grow
sufficiently genetically diverse that the fertility of their
cross-progeny reached zero. This is speciation, aka the origin
of species. Chucky Darwin wrote a book on it.

On Sun, 26 Jan 2020 12:35:18 +1100, Lucifer
Yes, but those without an axe to grind, and those who did not seek
fame, fortune, or control of others.
How in the world could you distort the verse that badly?
Faith IS the evidence of things hoped for.
He already has, you missed God's point on this. We have the Holy
Spirit who relayed the scriptures here, in this world, as well as the
promise by Jesus that he WILL LEAD us into ALL truth. IOW's he will
instruct anyone desirous to learn what the scripture means and will
flood out souls with that knowledge.
See my comment just above.
Because they know not God.
Nope, never even suggested that. The Love of God is free to man. it is
given without measure and to sinners without any merit.

Do you even have the slightest clue what type of Love is being spoken
about here?
I already know about a good deal of them, but show the link to one
that supports what you said.
Nope, it does not.
Nope, since it never said what you opined.
You appear to speak as if God has one function. You need to reshape
your question.
It would appear that way to people such as yourself, and even to those
that call themselves "christian" and yet have no knowledge of what a
Christian is.
--
(Heb 11:6 KJV)

No. Satan was created as Lucifer, the light bearer. The most beautiful
angel in heaven. One with the most power of them all, until the sin of
pride gripped his being.
This says he is not pleased with the actions of some people who cannot
do the simplest of things. The Bible also speaks of how we can grieve
the Holy Spirit. It is very similar to an earthly father that knows
that his child knows to do better, but is too lazy to do it, or
stubborn, etc. So sometimes we have to let them fall flat on their
face in order to discover why there is a better way.
--

Since God does not exist most of the bible is a lie.
I quoted it verbatim.
If you have evidence you don't need faith.
I hope for a world where everyone will be happy and healthy.
If I have faith will my hope come true?
Is God unable to ensure that none of us miss His point?
If God did ensure that we all receive the correct message in
an unambiguous way there would be no misunderstanding.
You acknowledged that God does not ensure that we
but you did not say if that is because God is unable to
do so.
way?
How does God express that love?
Is it the Claytons version of love?

I know love can't be commanded.
I know love must be earned.
Is God unable to earn our love?
The first one that comes up is
https://www.biblica.com/bible/
but there are others.
What part of it do you believe is wrong?
What do you see as God's functions?
It appears you don't see God as creator.
You don't deny Christians can't agree what God wants of us
so you know God has not made His wishes known to all in
an unambiguous way.

God is extremely proud. - Revelation 22:13
You apparently don't see God as creator.
What is your understanding of how humans came to exist?
Do you believe God has any abilities a human father does not?

On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 01:02:04 +1100, Lucifer
It is my tag line, so you can compare what you said to what the bible
says. :)
To an extent, yes.
Not for this world, but the next will be that way for all the
believers. It has already been spoken.

And as to having faith, faith in what? How is faith in atheism working
out for you?
You can pretend to miss his point but in the end he will show to you
and everyone around you that you saw, understood, and then denied him
so you could live as you wanted to without him.

Everyone in hell will know far beyond any doubt that they are there by
their choice
He did, and he has.
No, I didn't. See my comment above..
He has, and it is still refused. The mere fact that you state that he
is ambiguous to your understanding means that somehow you have clarity
and yet are generating excuses not to follow what you already know to
be true.
He Sacrificed his Son, for you.
You cannot earn Gods love. It is impossible.
God loves the most vile sinner, and he does not save you after you
have somehow become good enough, he saves the sinner, not the
righteous. Saves the sinner while he dwells in sin.
Ok, then provide the link to the exact statement that you claim it
says.
Basically? All of it.
Now that is absurd. I know and believe that God is the creator along
with Jesus and the holy Spirit.
Still harping on that, eh? LOL.
Like I said, not all Christians are Christians. Why is it that so much
of the RCC is opposed to what the Word of God teaches?
He has, via his Son Jesus Christ.
Now tell me, why is it that you like to emulate a Parrot? It is
because what you repeat is the total limit to your understandings?
That it is your best shot to counteract God?
--
(Heb 11:6 KJV)

On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 01:09:53 +1100, Lucifer
Why is that? He only stated what he is.
And just how do you derive that?
God created Adam, cloned Eve, and then they had sex with children
after their kind.
Yes. God has no sin in his life.
--

Satan only stated what he was, the way God made him.
God had the most power of them all, until the sin of
pride gripped His being.
Does God not understand that He created them that way and that
only He can correct His errors.
I wrote
You wrote
Who or what did create a world where life feeds off life and
only the strongest survive?
What sect do you follow?
Is it proper to compare God to a human father?
I have no sin in my life.
Does your sect believe God is creator and that God is all-knowing
and loving?

On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 05:53:18 +1100, Lucifer
Nope, and you haven't any proof to back that up.
Being as you take pride in the name of Lucifer, like your spiritual
father you also operate out of that same pride in your attempt to
bring down God to your level.

But I already know your ending, I know the end of the story.
He has mad no errors and you know that.
Let me put it another way for you. God created the world without
corruption, sickness, disease, death, etc.

So where did all those things emanate from? They emanated from the
false god Lucifer.
None
> Yes, in some ways, but there are also very sinful fathers and in that case no.
I have no sect. Belong to none.
I believe what the word of God teaches.
--

Ecclesiastes 9:2 All things come alike to all: there is one
event to the righteous, and to the wicked; to the good and
to the clean, and to the unclean; to him that sacrificeth,
and to him that sacrificeth not: as is the good, so is the
sinner; and he that sweareth, as he that feareth an oath.

On Sun, 26 Jan 2020 13:54:30 -0800, LinuxGal <tere...@aqua.net>
wrote:
Two different Covenants.
--

"He maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and
sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust." - Jesus Christ,
while ushering in the New Covenant.

You're not very good at this.

Exactly what 'evolution' is, 'speculation!'

And that, thank you, is a much better word than 'assumption', though it
still applies.

On Sun, 26 Jan 2020 17:27:12 -0800, LinuxGal <tere...@aqua.net>
I don't have to be. ;)
But, you are still under the Old Covenant. Everyone was including
Jesus.
--

I quoted
Your tagline says
They look the same to me.
Only the believers? Is God really so petty?
Can you trust God to change for the better in the future?
Faith that God exists and is good despite evidence to the contrary.
Faith in what?
I'm wondering why God did not create us fully compatible with Himself.
You said God will correct His errors some time in the future.
Why has He not done so already?
You tell me about people who misunderstand God's message.
Why is there so much disagreement on God's message?
unwilling to make his wishes known {{to all}} in a way that will not
be refused?
unwilling to make his wishes known {{to all}} in a way that
will not be seen as ambiguous?
Should we emulate God?

Does God love the parents of the nine million children that die under
five every year?
The link is Hebrews 11:6.
You can do a google search for any bible passage.
What do you believe the bible says about God?
When I asked about creation of the world you wrote
You tell me people do not follow God's wishes.
I'd like to know why.
I was hoping you could tell me.
You refute that in your posts.
You prove God has not made his wishes known to all
in an unambiguous and non threatening way.
The writer of Heb 11:6 KJV knew there was no God so he tried to
get people to believe by wishful thinking.

You haven't any proof God exists, but the bible does say God created
everything and God knows what He is doing.
I am already far above God.
Everything that makes "you" exists in your brain.
When brain activity ceases "you" cease to exist.
You said God will fix things in the future.
Where did Lucifer emanate from?
I'm trying to get an idea what you believe.
We did create God in our image.
Do you believe God is creator and that God is all-knowing
and loving?
How do you know what the word of God is?

On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 14:58:55 +1100, Lucifer
Now they are, but the first time you did it from memory it made no
sense.
I never did and never would say something like that.
I can tell you of people deceived by Satan and twisted Gods words but
they had to have a corrupted heart from the beginning to do so.

You probably have run across people who when spoken to assumed the
person actually said something else.
Self willed and corrupted people, do not operate in and with the
spirit of God.
Well, "Lucifer", when he offers us a mansion in his city with streets
of pure translucent gold, with foundations of precious jewels,
diamond, emerald, ruby, etc. with flowing water, trees that bear a
different fruit every month, Clothes that never wear out, where there
is pure joy, peace, everlasting Love, no pain, no disease, no illness
of any type, where we can wander the heavens and have a star in or
name. Where we can actually see out savior, God the Father, and enter
his throne room at any time, where the will be nothing contentious, no
marriage. Where we can walk the hills and the valleys with abundance
of everything, Never a need for heating and cooling, where we can join
with the choir in heaven singing praises and making music unto our
God, plus be able to create things of our own, and excel far beyond
our wildest imagination. What is there to refuse or not desire?
No. You are incapable of hearing.
--

Personally I do.
--

Didn't you say there will come a time with no suffering?
Was creating people with corrupted hearts a mistake?
That's a function of our brain.
Why did God create people who are self willed and corrupted?
People realise it's a scam. Just like the scammers in India who offer
8.5 million dollars for only a small upfront fee. They will happily
take the life savings from gullible people like you.
Do you think God knows that?
The writer of Hebrews 11:6 was an atheist.

You can't please God.

Robert is a known "Liar for Jesus".
Robert is a known "Liar for Jesus".
Robert is a known "Liar for Jesus".
Robert is a known "Liar for Jesus".
Robert is a known "Liar for Jesus".

LOL.


--
There is no verifiable evidence of any god(s). None whatsoever.
Christian: a person afraid of a perpetually hiding [imaginary] god.
Extortion (Believe or Burn) is _THE_ foundation of Christianity.

On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 21:28:19 +1100, Lucifer
Yes
Who knows, maybe because he is waiting for you to repent? So that you
can be a part of it instead of you dwelling in the lake of fire.
How many times do you need to be told that it is because of the choice
of man you are living in a corrupted world?
No, it is their choice to do so.
He didn't.
If it is a scam then why is it free to all who receive it?
Yes. because you chose to make Lucifer the god of your heart.
We are not greater than he.
What I have been saying to you and that you have been ignoring.
And you are contentious.

And you have parrotosis,

You cannot know that.
--

That doesn't make sense to me. If God does not want anyone to
be in hell he can simply eliminate hell.
God can just change our personality so that we are all good.
If you are concerned about our free will you said God will
change everything for good sometime in the future.
When you wrote "they had to have a corrupted heart from the beginning"
I assumed you meant from the very beginning.
Our brain tries to do error correction so when it doesn't hear
something it replaces with what it thinks was said.
Presumably it was God's choice to make our brain that way.
OK. So why is there so much disagreement on God's message?
It's not. There is always an upfront fee. If the fee is paid
the scammer is never heard from again.
I suggest you search for Jim Browning on youtube.
I didn't, but why would that matter?
A politician you didn't vote for should still work for you.
Love should be earned.
The reason I ask is that there is a wide range of beliefs regarding
God and the bible and I would like to know where you stand.
I take that as a compliment. People should be skeptical.
The writer of Hebrews 11:6 wanted people to believe without evidence
because he knew there was no evidence.

True, but in your sig you have
You say you have proof so you don't believe by faith.

On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 09:52:43 +1100, Lucifer
So do you believe that all murderers, liars, child molesters, robbers,
etc should all get a free pass? If so then we should not lock up
anyone for anything, and release all the prisoners in your
neighborhood.
Never, it stems from the downfall of man, as I said repeatedly.
Only when you do not care about the truth or good communications and
think you know it all anyhow.
No, it is the product of the person who does not have the time for
anyone else but themselves. Or immaturity.
Just review your own comments as opposed to what is written in
scripture.
Salvation is free to all who receive it. Read the bible.
Because he is who you chose to obey and listen to. In pride you took
his name.
Why?
Why, you already complain about what you think are conditions placed
on it.
Then read the word of God, since that is what I stand on.
Skeptical can be ok, but no understanding can be had by a contentious
person.
faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen.

Unless you have been there done that you wouldn't understand.

On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 09:57:30 +1100, Lucifer
And I have faith.

I don't mean to scare you but I hope you will look at the claims
you make and see they don't fit reality.
You are being scammed.

I do believe it is far better to reform someone than to punish them,
but we are very limited in that regard.
Wouldn't it be better if God changed his design so there were no
murderers, liars, child molesters, robbers, etc?
What caused the downfall of man and why did God not step in
to prevent it?
Do you believe God designed our brain?
That doesn't tell me why there is so much disagreement on
God's message.
The bible authors were scammers and you are being scammed.
If God can make things better why not now and for all?
In the Christian mythology Lucifer is not the one abusing us.
I wish I could open your eyes to see what the scammers are doing.
It's their job just as it is God's job to care for all of creation.
What meaning does love have if not earned?
The bible is contradictory so noone can believe all of it.
I'd like to know which parts you accept and which parts you reject.
Do you agree that slavery is OK and that it is alright for a master
to kill a slave? Should we kill witches and homosexuals?
I believe you are brainwashed and incapable of seeing how ridiculous
your beliefs are.
I understand because I haven't been there.

On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 12:29:26 +1100, Lucifer
Has nothing to do with his design. I realize that you are on an
unrealistic agenda and are trying to blame all your weaknesses and
problems on God. The catch phrase used to be, "the devil made me do
it.". Well.... you are what you chose to be.
He warned him ahead of time.
He designed our bodies as well. Both of the can heal up within
limitations, but the both can become malformed because of corrupted
chemicals as well as the improper use of same, all stemming from the
destroyer at some point.
You are a prime example of why there is disagreement. Just look at
what you say and believe regardless of what God says and what little
you know.
See there? You claim full knowledge of the Bible, yet you make up your
own agenda. Generate misinformation and alternative thinking just to
add to the confusion of like minded men.

You seek no resolution, just a platform for your opines.
Just contention at play.

HAND and post on other threads as this one has run its course.

On Tue, 28 Jan 2020 11:35:34 +1100, Lucifer
I have no fear.

You said God designed our brain. That would make God fully responsible
for every thought and every action.
Bullshit! Nobody chooses to be born. Nobody chooses their IQ.
Nobody chooses to be gay or pedophilic. Pedophiles hate what
they are.
Thus God is responsible for every thought and every action.
That doesn't tell me why God allows so much disagreement on
his message.
Oh dear. I've offended you with my honesty.
The scammers love naive people like you.
I guess you need HAND because you haven't got a girlfriend. LOL

You are afraid to answer my questions lest you offend your masters.
Look at your life and see if a good God would allow that.

Let's see you justify that thought, k?

I know you cannot read my mind, and you do not understand what you
cannot see as well.

I can look at my life and see that God has better things in store for
me as long as I do not limit him.

You limit him by your thoughts and deeds. God, being God does not
dance to the tune of men.

She said "speciation", not "speculation", you blithering moron.

If God can give us better things he should have done so already.
But you do. You allow your human masters to control you.
Your tag line was written by an atheist.

If God designed our brain He decided how it would work.

It doesn't matter how you get to the truth as long as you get to it, Mr
Perfection Finger Up Your Arse.

Speciation is speculation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

God is always right!

And...you are not.





Michael Christ

--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
yet sinners, Christ died for us.

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

Is it His brain or yours. If yours then how is he responsible for how
you use it?

If I gave you a car that I built and with it you go out and kill
someone with it while it is under your control should I be responsible
for your actions?

Then perhaps there is a good reason that he is God and you are not.
What human masters? If you mean the rulers of the land? Then yes, to
an extent.
That is a trolling comment.

The way our brain works determines how we think and act.
Yes, if the car determined how I thought and acted.

It should be obvious there is no God that is good by our standards.
It is our standards that matter.
Yet you won't tell me what you believe.
Why else should we believe without evidence?