Blacks & common sense

All my kids are good swimmers, but blacks seem to sink like stones in the
water.
Here we have a group of 6 niglets drowning in one fell swoop, not one of
them could swim, and none of the "parents" could go in and rescue them,
cause they couldn't swim either.

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6 teens drown in La. river during family outing

Six teenagers wading in the shallows of a Louisiana river drowned in front
of their horrified families after falling into deep water. None of the
teens or nearby adults could swim.

A seventh teen, a 14-year-old boy, was rescued. Officials scheduled a news
conference Tuesday to release more details about the deaths Monday in the
Red River, in a popular recreational area where sand bars give way to 20-
foot depths.

"They had one lifejacket here. As you can imagine, everybody started
yelling for help," said Caddo Parish sheriff's spokeswoman Cindy Chadwick.

Shreveport Assistant Fire Chief Fred Sanders said he believed the victims,
ages 13 to 18, included three brothers from one family and a sister and two
brothers from another.

"They were out here with some adults. But unfortunately, neither the
children nor the adults could swim," he said.

Swimming skills can be scarce among African-Americans like the teens in
this tragedy. A study commissioned by the sports governing body USA
Swimming found 69 percent of black children had low or no swimming ability.
Segregation kept blacks out of public and private pools for decades and the
disparity continues because many poor and working class children have
limited access to pools or instruction.

Sanders said victims' names may be released Tuesday, after the department
is sure relatives have been notified.

The teens had started playing in a familiar area but ended up at a spot in
the river where the bottom fell suddenly and that's where divers found the
bodies, Sanders said.

Marilyn Robinson, a friend of the families, told The Times of Shreveport
she watched helplessly as the victims went under. She said a large group of
family and friends, including roughly 20 children, were out at the sandbar
to barbecue and have a good time. They frequent the area and were familiar
with the water, Robinson said.

"None of us could swim," she said. "They were yelling 'help me, help me.
Somebody please help me.' It was nothing I could do but watch them drown
one by one."

Sanders said he did not know whether one teen fell and pulled down others,
or if they were trying to rescue each other.

It took more than three hours to find all the bodies, he said.

"It's devastating," Sanders said. "To my knowledge the city has never
experienced an incident of this magnitude."

Rescue crews were delayed a bit because the accident was reported as near
the Jimmie Davis Bridge but was nearly a mile away, Sanders said.

The families were in a recreational area of the Red River that has sand
bars, Sanders said. The park is a popular picnic and fishing area and some
people do go wading.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100803/ap_on_re_us/us_teens_drown_louisiana

That sounds pretty disingenuous. Basically that's like saying they were
drowned because white people kept their parents out of swimming pools.
Couldn't anyone get anything together for them at all in their own
community? Surely to God they could get something together without help
from white people... it's swimming - a survival skill. Someone must have
known how to dig a hole in the ground and fill it with water. It's
insulting to blacks and whites. Surely the black community don't consider
themselves to be the "white man's burden"? Surely if white people do deny
them something like this they can come up with a workaround. It's not just
insulting, it's dangerous too. People will take this crap in because it
blames a common enemy and it'll lead to added tensions between blacks and
whites.

TWP

But let's not forget that blacks in America did live in an oppressive
apartheid regime until the 1960's. Maybe they'd have liked to dig a hole and
fill it with water, and maybe the white folks would have lynched them for
their trouble. I'm sure they'd have liked to travel on buses in any seats
they fancied and get the same educational opportunities as white folks had
as well.

You can't just say blacks should have done it, not in a society which didn't
allow it. You cannot expect things to change overnight nor in just fifty
years. However there is more to it than the racial issue.

Let's face it, the main reason people can swim is because their parents took
them swimming or schools forced them into it. If they hadn't then they
likely would not have been able to swim. If there's no history of learning
to swim or no desire to learn then why would one expect a majority of people
to have learned to swim ?

Interestingly, percentage wise, more professional fishermen cannot swim than
blacks. There's no history nor desire to learn, no recreational benefit seen
to swimming, nor any real survival skill perceived.

Perhaps the real questions to ask are whether blacks are given the
opportunity to learn to swim, encouraged to do so, and are the numbers who
can swim increasing or not. Rather than speculating from a white, living on
an island surrounded by water, perspective it would be best to ask blacks in
inner-cities what their views are.

I don't know. I'm uncomfortable with stories like this. I'm sure there's a
lot I don't understand about life as a black person in the US, but I've also
seen how black opinion is manipulated, fairly unscrupulously, and I think
the victim status, although doubtlessly deserved in many ways, is
exaggerated cynically sometimes. Remember the stories that divers were sent
during hurricane Katrina to blow up the flood defences for black
neighbourhoods to ethnically cleanse parts of New Orleans? Going back
further we had talk of compensation claims for Post Traumatic Slave
Syndrome, where if I remember correctly, black people would be compensated
for the historical suffering and humiliation of their ancestors' slavery.
It probably was only half-serious, but it didn't have to be fully serious to
have a harmful effect on society.

I have to wonder if a lot of the terrorist problems we face today didn't get
a boost from rhetoric and inflammatary material just like this article. You
don't have to read between many lines to see how damaging it is. The
article tacitly blames the deaths of six children on white people. It's
left in little doubt who's ultimate responsibility it was. The whites.
No-one in the black community has to concede that they also could have done
something to make a difference, it was all the fault of white people. They
didn't provide swimming pools or swimming lessons, so the deaths were their
fault. That then blame feeds back into the black community and relations
between the races just degrade further.

As for the swimming pools... well, I would have thought that, in the end,
necessity was the mother of invention. I can't really see mass-lynchings in
the modern world for black communities building their own swimming pools.
If the people who died were teenagers that makes their lifespan pretty much
in our enlightened time period. I don't think there'd have been many
burning crosses.

As for learning to swim, in the UK (in the past) learning to swim was
heavily promoted as a life-saving skill. Schools - certainly my sister's
school - arranged for children to earn life-saving awards. I don't know how
it works now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2VvcOHi2E8 "Learn to Swim (I remember this
one)"

Blacks, either as individuals or as a racial group, are perfectly
incapable of accepting any self blame for whatever ills befall them.
AIDS ? Whiteys fault.
High percentage career criminals ? Whiteys fault
Afflicted by disease & drugs ? Whiteys fault
Can't swim ? Whiteys fault

Hardly any exceptions, they instinctively and reflexively always point
the finger at YT - Nevermind the fact that they have been living off
whites backs for generations.
Nevermind the fact that their miserable existences, from cradle to
grave, and subsidized by YT.
Housing, food, education, health care. Its all there, tax payer funded
government checks going out each and every month to millions upon
millions of these useless scourges.
Every single week I go shopping, spending my hard earned $$ to feed
myself and my family, I see these fat black monstrosities with their
food carts overflowing with junk food,half a dozen screaming nigglets in
tow, and out comes the orange card known here as the "bridge card" ,,,
Which is nothing more or less than government handouts to feed niggers.
Formerly known as "food stamps", they now can just whip out their
taxpayer funded cards, and feel as though they are an actual human
buying food with their own $$ - But anyone who knows about these orange
cards knows better, and knows that they themselves are paying to feed
these fat 3rd world yard apes.

The handouts are continuing at breakneck speeds since the mulatto Kenyan
muslim got into office.
Much of the "stimulus" spending is nothing more than bare handouts to
niggers, part and parcel of his campaign promise to "spread it around".

Now, niggers can't swim and its all whiteys fault, just when you thought
there might possibly be an incident that they couldn't blame on racism,
something like this comes along.

Niggers have it far, far better in the USA than any other negro
population in the world.
They are subsidized, and have been getting preferential treatment in job
opportunities and college admissions for decades [affirmative action, a
government mandated discrimination program against whites].
If they can't make it here, they can't make it anywhere.
Blacks as a race are massive failures, and its only through handouts and
propping up that they will even survive, lord knows they cannot stand on
their own.

Theres always someone like hippy who says we don't do quite good enough
for them, that they will be permanently afflicted do to the slavery that
was ended 150 years ago, and we had just better get used to the idea of
them living off our backs from cradle to grave.
I got news - People are getting fed up with this bullshit.
Ordinary, hard working, god fearing citizens are getting radicalized
into pure disdain for these imported Afrikans, and people like me who
were somewhat biased to begin with are about ready to pop with rage with
each and every new incident coming from these dark savages.

One can only go so long throughout the already tough journey down lifes
road with a bowling ball chained to ones ankle before one gets sick and
tired of the burden and cuts it off.
Such will be the fate of the racial group of permanent leaches &
criminals known as "African Americans".
Sink or swim - And judging by the article which is the subject of this
post, I don't think anyone, blacks included, have any illusions which it
will be, once whites en masse finally determine to cast off the ungodly
burden imposed on them.

Pot, kettle err.... non-white? :-))))

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Indeed, it reveals uncomfortable truths we'd rather not have to accept and,
perhaps not entirely fairly, seemingly suggests all blame stems from that.
It's like that feeling of the burglars had no right to take my things but
knowing one should not have left the front door open. One doesn't want to
take blame but are not entrely blameless.

True. Some on both sides will exploit a white-black situation to their own
advantage or agenda. Just like Jesse took that opportunity and others will
take their stab at counters.

Rumours abound in racially charged circumstances. Blacks felt they'd been
abandoned to their fate and probably wondered just how badly they were going
to get treated in ways others wouldn't treat their own. We also see that in
the way locals are treated in Iraq and Afghanistan by US forces.

It's probably also in part a rational hatred for their previous oppression.
America is still a very divided nation. There are many blacks alive today
who were alive and experienced that oppression and that has got to have
affected their outlook and their children's outlook. I'm sure some thought
'same as it ever was, nothing really changes'.

It's the difficulty of trying to resolve a wrong which was allowed to go on
for far too long. Not easy to do but I don't see how it's harmful to
society. Simply saying 'tough luck, suckers' is more harmful, as is
perpetuating the belief that some have the right to oppress others.

Blacks are also no doubt also seeking an apology for the oppression they and
their immediate families suffered themselves.

America up to the 1960's wasn't exactly the modern world. It was a vicious,
racist, apartheid regime. Blacks did not have control of their destinies.
Racism and hatred of blacks still continues to this day.

When blacks could be expected to be challenged, threatened, beaten and
killed on any 'right' they claimed, they had to choose their fights
carefully. When there's no perceived necessity to learn to swim, why risk
provoking a fight over not having swimming pools ? The racists of the time
would probably have pointed to the vast continent of Africa having no
swimming pools to speak of and insisting blacks didn't need them in America
either.

It's promoted as a skill we should have, but I wonder how much of a skill it
is necessary to have or how often it is ever put to use. It's also promoted
as a survival skill but I wonder how specious that is.

Of all those who are victims of drowning; are the majority swimmers or
non-swimmers ?

Is being able to swim really just a claim of supremacy - an alleged asset of
the superior which the inferior do not have ? Jesse certainly sees it that
way and perhaps everyone who can swim subconsciously has the same feeling of
smug superiority. Are we inflating the ability to swim to fit an internal
agenda we usually keep hidden ? What is "I can swim ten lengths more than
you" if not a statement of superiority, pointing out inferiority ?

Could we go as far as to say sport is the last bastion of supremacist
ideology ?

I don't personally have anything against people because they're black, and I
don't have anything against people who genuinely need financial help looking
after themselves. You couldn't assess someone's needs by looking at them or
what they bought in a shop, but one group in society can't lay the blame or
be happy that blame is laid by someone else on another group for basically
not taking better care of them when they have the ability to take care of
themselves. It's a difficult thing to discuss because once you get
involved in discussing something like this you end up taking a side and I
don't want to side against people because they're black or because they're
poor.

I think the article is inflammatary, designed to exploit a tragic event in
order to sow a few extra seeds of hatred. I also think it's a pity for the
black community if they really do think this way, because if they genuinely
do require the white community to provide something or they don't have it,
as the article strongly suggests, they'll never stop being slaves to the old
master.

TWP

As he is a very well known American Christian how much faith can you put
in this post at all. It just shows the ignorance of the poster.

How is it inflammatory and designed to sow seeds of hate ? Look at what that
article says ...

* Swimming skills can be scarce among African-Americans like the teens in

found 69 percent of black children had low or no swimming ability compared
to 41.8 percent of white children.

* Segregation kept blacks out of public and private pools for decades

* the disparity continues because many poor and working class children have

* A lack of access to swimming pools and a lower interest in swimming skills
are among the possible explanations, the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention said.

Only the third point is open to debate - do they have only limited access
? - the rest is entirely factual reporting.

Where in the article is it saying whites are to blame for the tragedy ?

Where in the article are any blacks saying whites are to blame for the
tragedy ?

Perhaps a lack of access to pools and tuition is to blame and someone may
have to take responsibility for that situation but the article doesn't
suggest it should be white or black.

The fourth point makes it clear that the tragedy could be a lack of interest
in swiming skills, again without approtioning blame for such a lack, if
there is indeed any "blame" at all.

You're being suckered towards supporting Jesse's racist viewpoint on blacks,
having fallen for the bait as was intended in his making such an entirely
off-topic posting for this group - "These blacks have to stand on their own
feet and they don't. Inferiority proven, superiority of whites proven".

You're creating the conclusion that blacks hold whites responsible, that the
article suggests whites should be held responsible, that blacks should hold
whites resposible, when the article says no such things.

Perhaps you were led astray by Jesse's wanton racist slants and distortions.
Even the opening premise is completely false; "Most people who can't swim

blacks". These blacks had not "gone swimming". They encountered unforeseen
circumstances just like many people of every race do every day.

If there's anyone seeking to sow seeds of hate it's Jesse, as usual. Thought
you'd have seen that coming a mile off.

Someone who leaves the door open is partly to blame?

Would many juries go along with that?

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

I at one time tried to take people as individuals, irrespective of race.
After witnessing 1st hand the nature of blacks, after reading countless
stories of the mayhem they have caused to this once civilized society,
and after hearing about story after story just like this, where they
seek to blame whites for every conceivable ill that befalls them, I gave
up trying to be charitable towards them.

I was forced to go to school with them as a kid, and had to literally
fight for my life against these wild pack animals.
Through my sweat and hard work, I am forced to subsidize their existences.
To me, saying "I don't have anything against people because they're
black" is like saying that you don't think a rattlesnake will ever bite
you, just because you once walked by one and it didn't attack.

Try going through one of their many ghettos here, day or night ,,, and
if you come out of it with your life intact, lets see if you still
refuse to categorize them, as instinct tells you to do.

Try browsing some of these sites for a perspective thats impossible to
get reading mainstream sites in the UK

http://www.thugreport.com/

Not all black criminals, there are some whites included.
But since blacks make up the largest bloc of violent criminals, they
have the majority of content here

http://www.chimpout.com/

An anti black site dedicated to people who despise negros.
It is unique in that it does not allow the slamming of jews, mexicans
ect, unlike a pure "racist" site - Only blacks.
Might be distasteful to many, the truth sometimes hurts.
Click "todays posts" for a sample.

http://www.newnation.org/NNN-Black-on-White.html

A shocking look at the violent havoc that blacks perpetrate against whites

Very true, racial discussion is always a can of worms, guaranteed.

Knowing that they need whitey to prop them up, I think, is a major cause
of their low self esteem & violent behavior.
At the same time, they feel "entitled" to have their hands held for
life, and to receive non stop handouts to make ends meet.
The welfare system is designed to encourage them to spawn more children,
as they get yet another check with every new kid ,, So its easy to see
why these blacks typically have 4 or 5 kids, 4 or 5 different "fathers"
,,, They grow up just getting by, hating whitey while at the same time
expecting handouts, and they typically start their life of crime when
they are old enough to walk.

Truly a viscous cycle, no progress will be made until they look in the
mirror and make themselves accountable for their own shortcomings, and
stop pointing the finger at YT.

Sure Hippy, TWP needs his little hand held by none other than you, to
steer him to the path of the pure, unbiased, unadulterated truth, which
is the hallmark of your postings.

TWP is a critical thinker, unlike you and your little clique, and needs
no instruction from you or me.
I don't know how much more insulting you can be than to come right out
and say that he naively fell right into my little trap.

I'll spell it out for you, since you are too dense to see.

They are claiming its whiteys fault that these niggers drowned, because
blacks were denied access to swimming pools until about 50 years ago -
And because of this, blacks to this very day are shy of water, and have
no interest in swimming.

So, in the nearly half a century that blacks have [unfortunately] had
full access to swimming pools ... Like their daddy & granddaddy before
them, they still can't swim because of racial prejudice.

You've got to be kidding me !
How insulting to themselves, to claim that something as simple, basic
and even instinctual as swimming, they need to be taught by whites how
to do !
Incredible, and thats why out of the 1,000's of race related articles I
could post, I chose this one.
It stands out as a stark example of the mindset of blacks - Which TWP
read like a book, and which went right over your fuzzy little head.

I dont agree. I'm not being suckered into a racist point of view. I might
not have even bothered to reply to the post but for the fact that you can
see the bad places that this kind of story leads to. If a hate or injustice
can never be let go of or reduced by the passage of time and new generations
of guiltless individuals coming along you just end up with a perpetual
conflict where people have been at each other's throats for so long it
starts to become a birthright rather than a cause.

The basic story was that six children died because they and no-one around
them could swim. The article could discuss present day attitudes to
teaching chilren to swim, It could say "hey guys - something like this
shouldn't have happened... why don't we organise some swimming lessons for
the kids?" but instead it goes off on a historical tangent about
disparities between blacks and whites access to swimming pools. There's a
clear race-baiting element to the story.

It's really a community and educational problem if so many children can't
swim, especially if they're going to have access to water, and I feel that
turning this into a story about the after-effects of segregation is
insulting to black people and dangerous for both black and white people.

TWP

The truth is more likely to be that everyone probably wants to be a
footballer or something like that, and couldn't give a crap about swimming
or would simply rather spend their money on doing something else, which
probably suits their local leadership just fine because then they can
justify not providing facilities.

Turning it into a racial story - even hinting that the deaths have a racial
element - is cruel and dangerous.

TWP

You have just discovered TNB - Thats, Typical Nigger Behavior.
They play the race card by reflex now, and it shows no signs of getting
any better with well known serial race-baiters like Jesse Jackson, Al
Sharpton and of course, Obama himself.

Dangerous indeed.
Here is where the blame game 7 guilt trips lead.

A guy slaughtered 8 people at work here just the other day, perhaps you
heard about it ?
Don't know, because this story is receiving almost 0 press coverage,
unlike all other mass work place homicides.
Reason ?
The killer was black.

Got caught, on video tape, stealing beer.
Was shown the tape, and was given the choice to quit or be fired.
Instead, he went on a racially motivated kill spree.

Now his fambly is playing the race card, saying that he suffered racial
discrimination and that it was a lie that he was stealing beer from the
company.
So now, even mass slaughter is understandable in a blacks view, if the
killer was racially motivated.
Even video taped evidence can be disregarded,if the conclusion is that a
black was found guilty of wrong doing.

This is exactly where their perpetual victim mentality is leading.
They cannot accept any discipline or responsibility for their own
actions ,,, It always comes back to race, no matter what.
Same thing with the drowning story.
7 black kids drown, a crowd of black adults look on, unable to do
anything because no one could swim ,,, And of course, it has to be
whiteys fault.
Almost as bad, and indeed strikingly similar, to the way the jews
constantly play the holocaust card whenever they feel backed into a corner.

Things are falling apart here TWP, I can assure you.
This situation cannot go on much longer.

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Girlfriend: Conn. gunman 'dazed' before rampage

As Omar Thornton prepared to head off to work at a beer distributorship
Tuesday morning, his girlfriend sensed something was wrong.

"He just kept having this dazed, confused look on his face, and I never
saw him like that before," Kristi Hannah, his girlfriend of eight years,
told The Associated Press on Wednesday. "I could tell something was
bothering him. I asked him what was wrong a bunch of times and he said
nothing was wrong with him. ... That's why he gave me a long hug and
kiss before he left."

Thornton, 34, said he would call his girlfriend in a little while.

When he got to Hartford Distributors Inc., a family-owned business in
the ethnically diverse Hartford suburb of Manchester, Thornton was
confronted with videotaped evidence that he had been stealing beer.
Company officials then forced him to resign. He responded by going on a
rampage, killing eight co-workers, wounding two others and then killing
himself.

Hannah said Thornton, who is black, had complained of racial harassment
to her months ago and had shared with her evidence of it: photos of
racist graffiti and a surreptitiously monitored conversation allegedly
involving company managers.

She said Thornton called his union representative about the problems,
but the official did not return his calls.

Union and company officials tell a different story. They say Thornton
never complained of harassment and say there have never been reports of
racial discrimination at the company.

A union official described Thornton as a dissatisfied worker whose first
targets were the three people in his disciplinary meeting: Steve
Hollander, 50, a member of the family that owns the company, who was
shot twice but survived; Bryan Cirigliano, 51, president of Teamsters
1035 and Thornton's representative at the hearing; and Louis Felder, 50,
who news reports described as the company's operations director.

Other victims were Doug Scruton, 56; Bill Ackerman, 51; Francis Fazio
Jr., 57; Edwin Kennison, 49; Craig Pepin, 60; and Victor James, 60.
Jerome Rosenstein, 77, was wounded and was in serious condition
Wednesday at Hartford Hospital.

What ended as a nightmare had begun as a dream job. Hannah said Thornton
had been trying for about 18 months to land the job, and she recalled
how excited Thornton was when he was hired about two years ago.

"He had this huge smile on his face," she said.

The only complaint Thornton ever made to the union was when he asked to
be promoted from an entry-level job to a driver, said Gregg Adler, a
union lawyer. The union explained to him that because of seniority
rules, he would have to wait his turn until a job opened up. Eventually
it did, and he was promoted about a year ago, Adler said.

Hannah said he loved being a driver. But there were problems.

She said he showed her photos he had taken with his cell phone. One was
a drawing on a bathroom wall of a stick figure with a noose around the
neck and a racial slur, she told the AP. Another scrawl said the writer
hated black people and had Thornton's name on it, she said.

One day, Hannah said, he called her from a bathroom stall and held up
his phone. She said she could hear a company official, apparently
unaware Thornton was in a stall, tell someone else that the company was
going to "get rid of this dumb n-----."

Thornton also complained that colleagues had made racial slurs to him,
she said. Co-workers would pack his truck wrong, causing him to work
later, she said.

"He was being racially profiled and no one would listen to him," Hannah
said. "I know what pushed him over the edge was all the racial stuff
that was happening at work. I could hear in his voice it hurt him really
bad. If they just listened to him they probably could have solved it."

Thornton told his family he was the only black employee at the company,
his uncle Wilbert Holliday said. Union secretary-treasurer Chris Roos
said there are other African-American employees, although a 911 tape
released by police Wednesday includes a clip of a woman describing him
as the "the only black guy that works here, almost."

Manchester police Lt. Christopher Davis said Wednesday that the company
had hired a private investigator to follow Thornton outside of work for
a few weeks after becoming suspicious that he was stealing. The amount
of beer Thornton took wasn't clear.

On Tuesday, Thornton came prepared.

He carried two 9 mm handguns inside his lunch box and left a shotgun in
his car, police said. All the weapons were registered, Davis said.

At the disciplinary hearing, Thornton watched video that showed him
stealing beer and then resigned after being asked whether he wanted to
quit or be fired. He then asked for a drink of water and went to a
kitchen where his lunch box was, Davis said. He took out his guns,
walked out into the hall and began shooting immediately, Davis said.

It's not clear whether every victim was targeted or whether some were
shot randomly, Davis said. The victims died of multiple gunshot wounds,
according to the state Office of the Chief Medical Examiner.

After shooting the people at the meeting, Thornton left the office area
and went into a large section of the warehouse where more victims were
found, Davis said. He chased one or more of them outside into a parking
lot, shot a locked glass door to get back into the building and
continued shooting.

One man who was fatally wounded tried to evade Thornton on a forklift,
which crashed into an electrical conduit and started a small fire, Davis
said.

Thornton also passed by at least two people and did not shoot them,
Davis said, including one woman in a wheelchair.

Finally, Thornton called his mother to say goodbye, Holliday said.

"I shot the racists that was bothering me," he told his mother,
according to his uncle.

Police found Thornton dead in an office.

Brett Hollander, Steve Hollander's cousin who also works at Hartford
Distributors, denied any accusations of racism.

"I can assure you there has never been any racial discrimination at our
company," he told the AP.

Friends and family of those who died said they couldn't imagine their
loved ones discriminating against Thornton.

One driver at the company who was killed, Kennison, had mentioned
Thornton before but never in a derogatory way, said Mark McCorrison, a
close friend. Kennison was not the type to make bigoted remarks, he said.

"I can tell you right now: Eddie is not that person," McCorrison said.

Pepin, also a driver, was never angry, let alone someone who showed any
hint of racism or bigotry, said a neighbor who knew him for 25 years.

"Craig, who was active as a coach in town with all kids — all races of
kids — for years, he didn't care. He just worked with the kids," Ted
Jenny said. "There was no way Craig Pepin was racist."

Steve Hollander told the AP on Tuesday that the people Thornton targeted
appeared to be "absolutely random."

"He killed so many good people today for absolutely no reason at all.
People who've never said an unkind word to him," he said. "He was just
shooting at anyone that was near him and just cruelty beyond cruelty."

Michelle T. Johnson, a diversity consultant and former employment
lawyer, said workers who face discrimination are often reluctant to file
a formal complaint, even if the misconduct is serious.

"Once a person of color raises an issue of discrimination, the reaction
they can get just makes it very stressful," she said.

Many companies have an internal process that allows workers to go to a
supervisor, human resources office or union official to complain about
discrimination. But that can be complicated if a supervisor is the one
making the comments.

Employees can also file a charge of discrimination with a state agency
or the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Hartford
Distributors has never had any complaints filed against it, the
Connecticut Commission on Human Rights and Opportunities said.

The company was meeting privately with employees on Wednesday, Brett
Hollander said. He said other beer distributors had offered to make
deliveries for Hartford Distributors while the warehouse is shut down.

A funeral for Felder, an Orthodox Jew, was held Wednesday afternoon in
Stamford, and a Mass to remember all the victims was planned for
Wednesday evening at St. Margaret Mary Church in South Windsor.

http://tinyurl.com/2b7txh8

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I just think it is a terrible tragedy, and making race an issue is simply
unjustifiable. Many people don't know how to swim, or are inadequate
swimmers, particularly children. What should be coming out of this is that
there is a huge need to ensure that ALL children learn how to swim.

George

And yet you go right ahead and do that here with, "which probably suits

facilities", which suggests local leaders are not providing facilities and
do not want to.

Either their local leaders are non-black and they aren't providing
facilities because the community is black, or their leaders are black and
they aren't provide for their community in the same way non-blacks would
provide for a non-black community.

So what is it you are alleging; racism from non-blacks or
inferiority-come-failure of blacks ?

When you say "probably suits their local leadership" that's your judgement
without having any knowledge of who that local leadership is or what they
think. Your are asserting wilful failure of that local leadership yet for
all you know they may be campaigning actively for such facilities but facing
opposition they are struggling against which prevents them getting what they
demand.

Rather than imagining leaders may be struggling to achieve you come to the
conclusion that they are "probably" sitting on their backsides, don't give a
toss, and that suits them fine. What colour do you imagine this local
leadership to be ? White, black or other it's a damning view, "cruel and
dangerous" as you call it.

You also say, "To me the story sounds like an attempt to divert blame", I
disagree, but let's say it is. Who do you think is to blame, who is blame
being diverted from ?

It seems you are saying blame cannot be placed on white policies so a
conclusion is that blame must rest with blacks themselves. The failure is
therefore black failure, failure which would not happen for non-blacks and,
bingo!, you are saying blacks are a failed race, just as Jesse claims, and
just the conclusion Jesse hoped to lead you to.

Truth is when people die it's either simply unfortunate or there is blame.
If there is blame then it's only natural to seek where such blame lies. For
any multi-racial community the blame is either with those of one race or
some other, or a mix of both, and it is difficult to walk the line between
suggesting a racial flaw or racism, but it's impossible not to consider the
racial aspect if it is considered there is blame.

Of course, those who say there is no blame, it was simply unfortunate, may
well be saying so simply to avoid the uncomfortable racial issue where there
may well be blame, seeking to protect a side from its blame.

Stating there may be racial issues does not provoke disharmony ( it's simple
fact ), apportioning blame can, but that doesn't mean such blame should not
be apportioned.

Personally I see it as one of those things which just happens regardless of
race, or arising from circumstances where if anyone is to blame all sides
have failings. Trying to blame black or non-black is where the hurt of
racism arises from. The original article offered a view that all sides may
have been part of the failing; you and Jesse seem to be saying it must be
one side or the other, and both seem to be saying it's certainly not the
fault of the whites.

I'm not seeking a rebuttal, just asking you to reflect on that. I'm not
accusing you of racism, but that you've been lead into a trap of supporting
Jesse's racist notions.

Hi George.
So, teaching ALL children how to swim.
Is that the governments responsibility, societies responsibility, a
parents responsibility, what ?

Do the "inner city youth", without access to swimming pools in the hood,
now coming flooding into clean, safe suburban pools to learn ... Of
course, subsidized by the US taxpayer. ?
You don't get into swimming pools for free, you don't get swimming
lessons for free.
Do we shell out billions of $$ to subsidize the building of rec centers
in the hood so blacks can learn how to swim ?
Everyone knows, nothing is built in black areas.
No Walmrts, no stores, by bars, nothing.
Reason - Blacks destroy anything they touch.

This isn't so much a matter of any of the above, but of parental
responsibility, which blacks are known to be sorely lacking.
None of the "kids" could swim, none of the "parents" on hand knew how to
swim.
Yet they take their large group on a sandbank of a river, with "No
Swimming" signs posted ,,, And let their "kids" go frolicking in the
river, and stand there on shore and watch as they drown.
George, you simply do not go into rivers unless you know how to swim.
If it was a monitored area, with life guards and rope buoys blocking off
deep water, that would be different.
But to let "kids" go into an uncharted & unguarded river, thats plain
stupidity, shows a stunning lack of judgment, hence the title of this post.

Its up to parents to get a kid motivated to swim.
Most, I can tell you at least as far as white children, don't need much
of a push.
They love the water, are eager to learn how to swim, and there are
plenty of safe, guarded beaches and clean water parks to teach them this
simple skill.

If blacks lack the resource, motivation & intellect to do this, its
their problem, not mine.

Jesse the Talking Turd has spoken. And what has he to say? Just more of
the same shit.

See:

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2010/07/black-men-can-swim/

<quote>
In July, the Science Museum hosted an event called “Black Men Can’t Swim?”—a
question that was answered by Cullen Jones, the African-American world and
Olympic champion and 100m freestyle record-holder. The debate arises partly
from the low participation rates among African-Americans; as few as 30 per
cent of black children have learned to swim well, according to the governing
body USA Swimming. As well as its reputation as a whites-only, “country
club” sport, swimming has a long history of segregation and exclusion in the
US, dating from the days when west African slaves—who were usually good
swimmers—were banned from teaching their children, for fear of them
escaping. Ignoring this history, past academic studies made great play of
the lower buoyancy of black Americans. While some black populations do have
a higher average bone density and mass than whites—about 300gm—buoyancy
varies for every swimmer, and differences within races are far greater than
those between them. As Matt Bridge, senior lecturer in coaching and sports
science at Birmingham University, points out: “Thousands of black Americans
have taken the US Marines’ compulsory swimming test and none have failed.”
</quote>

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I don't know what podunk hole in the ground you live in, Jesse, but where I
live there are lots of public swimming pools spread out all over the county,
and most of them cost less than a dollar to get in. Many of our schools
have swimming pools, in fact. If we can mandate that children take P.E.,
then can certainly give them swimming lessons. It's a friggin basic
survival skill, dude. But then, we all know what your "final solution" is
for blacks in this country, don't we?

George

I live in the metro Detroit area of Michigan, in a suburb that is
happily almost 100% nigger free, blacks couldn't earn enough $$ in 5
lifetimes to afford a house here - And I'd be willing to bet that you
don't have many natives living around you either.
Mighty easy to admire a beast from a distance - I'd like to see you take
a walk through the hood some evening, and come back to tell of your
adventure, if you live to tell the tale.

I was forced to go to school with these savages, and thus have a
different perspective than someone like you.
I grew up in Detroit, and watched a world class, famous industrial city
get torn to the ground before my very eyes by niggers.
Nothing but a shit stinkhole by now, you want it, you can have it - But
no, you'd rather preach from your basement in the safety of suburbia.

"White Flight", look it up, brainless one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight
And come back and tell me how great for everyone it is having a huge,
listless, violent minority population taking over a major city.

So your solution to blacks having no motivation to swim is yet another
entitlement program ?
Real good moron, I'm sure they'll be glad to hear that.
Are you a taxpayer, by chance ?
You actually like your hard earned $$$ being doled out to those who
refuse to help themselves ?

BTW, I go to swimming pools all the time, having a sizable brood of kids
who love to swim.

"most of them cost less than a dollar to get in" ? Not around here, its
$7 a head, and thats for residents.
Non residents [blacks] would be $10.
I have a yearly family membership, $400 me and my family can swim when
we want, and have access to indoor pools, saunas and workout rooms.

"less than $1", you either don't have the 1st clue what you are talking
about, or have some mighty shitty swimming facilities, or both.
If it was that cheap, even niggers could afford it.
When was the last time you went swimming in a public pool George, the
1980's ?
Well, its changed a bit since then.
Most "pools" are water parks, with wave pools, diving boards, water
slides, play areas for children ect.
The days of the stand alone swimming pool are drawing to a close, no one
wants to use them.
Its an investment, and they have to charge people a fair amount to get
in, or else the investment would not be worth while.

That explains a LOT!!!

Colin Powel and Obama for instance?

That is what the civilised world things of you....

As did most of the rest of us.

That you do... but then again most of us got education and are more
intelligent than you which is why we are not paranoid and insecure.

No that was done by the white capitalists.

What is all this crap about Basements. Most people don't have basements.
It's Jesse's very limited knowledge and education showing again.

Born, Grew up and only lived in one place.... Some of us have moved
around and even worked in several countries (including the US)

How much for non resident whites?

It does expose the inherent flaw in Jesse's self-reinforcing racist argument
...

Blacks are inferior.
Blacks cannot therefore expect to earn as much as whites.
Blacks cannot achieve as whites have.
Blacks are therefore inferior.

On one hand he bemoans the fact that many blacks cannot swim and on the
other points out that they cannot afford to learn to. Of course it's not a
situational plight in his eyes but black racial failure.

Jesse and his supremacists pals will never acknowledge that it's non-whites
being disadvantaged which causes most of the problems which arise from such
disadvantage, it's always painted as an inherent racial flaw when there are
examples which show it isn't; you can add Rice to the list and there are
many others less publicly noted. They ascended not because of the social
situation in America but despite of it - there's also a reason black
achievers are often derogatorily called "oreos".

Having a few non-whites achieve isn't entirely a bad thing either, as that
allows it to be spun that The American Dream works, even though for the
great majority it does not. When a black like Obama achieves well one soon
finds what the white supremacists and racists think of that. Unable to claim
non-achievement they simply turn to racial slurs and character
assassination.

It's a desired self fulfilling prophecy of the racists and supremacists to
slam non-white people, point out the flaws arising from their plight, to
ensure that plight continues.

Just the one? :-)

Jesse has a problem that by admitting that Blacks have done better than
he has will have to admit that he is less intelligent that the "sub
human niggers". So where does that leave him?

Better to believe the 100's of thousands of US black people (and of
course the spic's wops's and deigo's) with a higher IQ, better
qualifications, better jobs, better houses etc only got there because
whitey gave it to them out of compassion...

Sounds like the could film "In The Heat of the Night" as a documentary
in Jesse's neighbourhood now.

SO to answer my question as to where that leaves Jesse? At the bottom of
the pile of all races, creeds among the dregs. He knows it too hence his
panic, inferiority complex and deep rooted insecurity. No wonder he
needs an Uzi to make him feel a Real Man (TM). It is on his own he is a
frightened shadow of what he would like to be.

We have places of people like Jesse in most civilised countries. Usually
jail or the sort of housing estate where civilised people don't live.

Sorry, but Obama doesn't even qualify as black.
As is known, his mother was white, so a solid 50% of his genetics are
non black [his wife is another story].
Of course, that won't stop blacks from claiming him as their own, since
they know a full blooded blue gum will never advance very far, and hes
the best they are going to get.

Powel is a light skinned Jamaican with Scottish ancestry, he is not
Afrikanized at all, which is the reason for his success.
Like Obama, he has ridden to prominence at the whim of whites, and is
quick to play the race card when he thinks its to his advantage.

DO I get another T-shirt for predicting this? :-))))))

Jesse my love had you not kill filed me you would have seen that I
predicted you would say this.... (This is easier than Pavlov :-)

How pathetic Jesse is.

Certainly does. It is said to be the most segregated place in America, "a
walled area of apartheid" and perhaps the city most oppressive of blacks in
modern history. Reported to be home to the largest US Nazi group it is said
that more than half of KKK members in Michigan lived in Detroit, tens of
thousands of them.

Detroit is probably the closest you get to 'failed state' seen in a city.
After years of whites oppressing blacks, the city exploded into riots,
utlimately leading to 'white flight', retreat of whites to rich suberbs with
deeper segregation and inequality. The closest I can imagine Detroit from
descriptions I read by residents is it could have been used as the setting
for 'Escape from New York'. Even Detroit's mayor called it a "fortress".

Of course whites are entirely blameless for this situation.

Oops, another rock ape goes under.
I'm starting to think these people would drown in a friggin bath tub.
From the looks of him, the crime rate in Boston has just went down a bit.

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Attleboro teen drowns on Cape

CENTERVILLE - A 17-year-old from Attleboro drowned Tuesday afternoon off
Craigville Beach while trying to swim to a raft as police report a
friend urged him to flip over on his back and float.

Larsan Korvili, a senior at Bishop Feehan High School in Attleboro, was
on a retreat with about 60 young people at the Craigville Conference
Center when he slipped under the water while trying to swim to a raft,
Barnstable police said.

Witnesses told police that it appeared Korvili may have panicked in the
water, said Barnstable police Sgt. Sean Sweeney.

When police and rescue workers arrived, they found a doctor and a nurse
attempting to resuscitate the youth. Dr. Daniel Luczkow, an emergency
room physician at Cape Cod Hospital in Hyannis, and the nurse just
happened to be on the beach at the time of the incident, Sweeney said.

Korvili was taken by ambulance to Cape Cod Hospital, where he was
pronounced dead. View full story here.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20100812attleboro_teen_drowns_on_cape/

No wonder most of the whites left..... the Nazis and KKK have no place
in a civilised country. Ironically it will be the white supremacists who
caused the civilised whites to leave.

Agreed.

Trouble is the white suburbs are in trouble as well.

It is bad. I know a Canadian who visits Detroit regularly. He is in the
automotive business.

So who is to blame?

A huge stupidity from a scientific point of view because the "solid (sic) 50% of his genetics" quoted by jeSSe are not
different from the other 50% of his genetic heritage.
Except for some genes regulating the rate of melanin in the skin...

Second stupidity of jeSSe. Powell is like Obama an american mixed race. What does mean on a scientific basis this so
called "afrikanisation" ? Nothing.
The obvious reality is that nobody can scientifically determine the limits and the definition of a "race".
But Science is not the main care of a racist.

And the headquarters of the National Socialist Movement are located in Detroit.

http://www.nsm88.org/jointhefight/membership_index.html

(....)

Obviously a racist opinion that does not care of economic, social or cultural acquired factors.
A racist has his little explanation that explains all : race . A notion that itself is hazy from a scientific point of
view. But the basis of all prjudices.
For the little nazi jeSSe's information :

Poor Kids More Likely to Drown
by Charlotte Hill

Just when I thought I'd heard it all, the Wall Street Journal published a story on a new report that boggled my
(apparently naive) mind. Swimming, I'd always imagined, was an all-American pastime, a summer retreat from the heat as
ubiquitously enjoyed as those fudge popsicles dished out by the friendly neighborhood ice cream man. According to USA
Swimming's study, however, that's just a vestige of my own childhood experiences rearing its chlorine-soaked head.
In reality, poor kids — *especially African Americans* — aren't nearly as skilled in the art of swimming as their
wealthier white cohorts. Of those children in the study receiving free or reduced price school lunches (a standard
marker of familial income), two-thirds self-reported little or no swimming ability. Twelve percent said they couldn't
swim at all; that's twice the rate of richer kids.
The swim gap is lethal, as evidenced by new statistics showing black children drowning at three times the rate of white
children. When restricted to kids swimming in a pool, the figure are even worse: African-Americans are a full five times
more likely to drown, even though a ledge or step may be just out of reach.
The expected solution to such a seemingly easy problem — just offer cheap swimming lessons to poor kids, right? — isn't
the panacea that researchers hoped for. "Many parents wouldn't let kids swim even if lessons were free," finds the 2010
study, an in-depth follow-up to USA Swimming's initial 2008 report on diversity and swimming. "Overall, fear trumped
financial concerns across all respondent race groups in low-income families."
Ah yes, fear — that primal instinct that understandably kicks in when parents see their kids struggling to stay afloat
in a deep vat of water. "You're already uncomfortable and scared," explained a mother in Denver. "You're like, 'I'm
paying them so I can have heart palpitations on the sidelines. It's not worth it. It really isn't. Why should I have to
pay money to be afraid?"
A mother in Boston agreed. "I know how I am and she knows if I panic, if mommy feels like anything is going wrong, it's
over .... As she starts getting uncomfortable I jump right in." This deep-seated fear has presented difficulties for a
YMCA daycare facility that built a swimming component into its preschool curriculum; "60 percent of the parents still
resist their kids' participation in swimming," remarked one study participant. "There is still this push back and
resistance."
Why these low-income parents are afraid — and yes, low-income parents expressed a much more intense fear at the idea of
their kids swimming than richer parents did — could be a combination of several factors. Many parents were never
afforded the opportunity to learn to swim when they were young; only recently have discounted and free swim programs
become widely available throughout the country. And sensationalized news stories about children drowning surely do
nothing to boost parents' desires to see their kids hop in the water.
African-Americans face the additional burden of the still-fresh scars of swimming pool segregation, re-opened by a
private Philadelphia swim club's decision last year to remove a group of black children from their pool (they feared the
children would alter the overall "complexion" of the club). Pair that with a long-standing myth about blacks not being
able to swim — fueled by a widely discredited 1969 study titled "The Negro and Learning to Swim: The Buoyancy Problem
Related to Reported Biological Difference" — and you've got a surefire recipe for swimming pool-phobia.
So long as low-income parents refuse to enroll their kids in swimming lessons or simply supervise them at the public
pool, the swim gap will only continue, if not widen. Luckily, there's hope: it's only the parents, not the kids, who are
afraid.
"I've done lessons with white and black kids — there's no kid out there who doesn't like jumping into a pool," says
freestyle swimmer and Olympic gold medalist Cullen Jones, one of the few role models for young black swimmers in
America. "When you're six, you are fearless. That's the time to teach them."
Jones is doing his part. Parents, it's time to let go of your fear and start doing yours.

http://uspoverty.change.org/blog/view/poor_kids_more_likely_to_drown

Ask Jesse if he is a member....

A Yes/No answer is al that is needed. Any prevarication should be taken
as guilt.

> It is said to be
> Reported to be
> Detroit is probably
> I can imagine Detroit
> descriptions I read by

As you yourself tacitly, even unconsciously, admit, you have 0 1st hand
knowledge or experience with American urban centers infested with negroids.
Same holds true for your bf Chrissy.
Yet you [typically] ramble on, as if what you say should be assigned
utmost credibility, simply because you have said it.
Talk about living in a fantasy world.

Another one "slips in the water" - And of course, the spawns fambly is
suing.

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Fambly Suing School After Teen Drowns on Trip

A Delaware County family is demanding answers after their teenage son
drowns during a school field trip.

Carnez Boone, 14, of Collingdale was visiting the Stoneboro Lakeside
Park Beach in Mercer County, N.J. with the Youth Educational Services
Academy for troubled teens on July 30 when he slipped below the surface.

Lifeguards managed to pull the teen from the lake and tried to
resuscitate him, but it was too late.

The boy's family says the school knew their son couldn't swim even after
they assured them he was taught.

"They told me that he was tested for swimming, but the owner told me
they never tested any of the kids for swimming," Carnez's mother Okita
Allen said. "That was their first visit at the lake."

The school disputes their claim. In a statement released Thursday, the
YES Academy said, in part:

"Heroic measures were taken by our staff and the lifeguards and the
patrons of the lake who helped to revive him but were unsuccessful."

The Allen family is filing a lawsuit against the school and the lake.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local-beat/Family-Suing-School-After-Teen-Drowns-on-Trip-100589079.html

Not at all... he just said Detroit.

I have worked in the US. Though not Detroit. I do know people that go to
Detroit, and surrounding areas, at least once a month.

I have met pathetic creatures like Jesse. They have to join things like
the Nazis so the can feel superior. If they pause and look at reality
they would realise how pathetic they are.

No wonder Jesse invented a fantasy military career to feel he is a Real
Man (TM)

Jesse, 99% of the time that description fits you.

More common in the US than here, I believe. It means Americans can have
some huge model railway layouts...

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

I've never lived in a house without a basement, save for some summer
cottages.

Not sure how basements came into this, I suppose it makes sense not to
have one on an island.
As for me, I don't see the point of a house without a basement, unless
you live by yourself maybe.

We know you have lead a very narrow life.

Most of the older buildings in the UK have them. Most in Northern Europe
still do.

When you understand there is more to life than your very narrow
existence you would see the point.

Yes.... However US Americans can not relate to anything other than their
own narrow culture. Also in US is seems common for the male of the hose
to have a "den" in the basement. Whereas in the civilised world we just
store junk in the basement live above ground level.

:-)

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1) Education is not an entitlement. It is a human right for every citizen.
Maybe if you had an actual education you wouldn't be such an angry, bigoted
man.

2) In fact, I have lived in a mixed race neighborhood (by choice) for many
years. And in fact, we have the lowest crime rate in the county where I
live. It's when things get segregated that the shit hits the fan. That
might explain your predicament.

George

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And yet you rant on about him being a "nigger" (your words).

George

"Chris H" <ch...@phaedsys.org> wrote in message
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I am by no means justifying Jesse's racist rants, but the fact is that many
American homes do have basements, and for many different reasons. In the
midwest, it is very smart to have a basement because of the weather
(tornadoes and the like). Much older homes started out with basements (they
were called cellars) because that's where the boiler was, and where the coal
to run it was stored. There is also an environmental advantage to having a
basement, because it helps moderate the temperature inside, and lowers the
heating bill.

George

You have hit the nail on the head.... Jesse's problems all stem from
being uneducated and not being intelligent. He can't admit to that so he
blames the niggers (wops, diagos, Jews etc) HE needs to feel superior to
someone and the Nazi party helps him do that.

I notice he also rants about gays.... but too much. I think he is
probably a closet gay and that really scares him as he lives in a white
Nazi neighbourhood. The signs are al there he over compensates on the
anti gay rhetoric.

Incidentally most of the white professionals baled out of the area he
lives.... leaving the blue collar workers. Black and white. But Jesse
"knows" he is better than the niggers. Otherwise it puts him at the
bottom of the pile (along with them) as the discarded and expendable
workforce... That he can't handle. So he turns on the others in the same
situation as himself and demonises them.

SO despite being a socialist working man. (He is in a Union) Jesse turns
Nazi so he can pretend he is part of the master race.

HELLO.... the real master race (black or white) moved out a few years
ago. Jesse you ain't it.

A tiny chunk of shit in a glass of milk spoils the whole glass, you know
that as well as me.

Regardless, Obongo is the 1st half black mutant president, not the first
black.

Learning to swim is not considered part of education, moron.
It a a skill, a natural choice that most humans chose to master early on.

Translation: "I lived in a suburb which has a few token niggers, and
there wasn't much crime - But the shit hits the fans when niggers gain a
majority in any neighborhood".

You are not telling me anything I don't already know, boy wonder.

Are you still standing by your "swimming pools in my area cost less than
$1 to get in" story ?
If thats true, whats the excuse for niggers not swimming ?
You claiming they can't even afford $1 to get in ?

You seem to have difficulty grasping simple concepts, to say nothing of
complex ones.

Having a basement gives one an extra level of housing.
I have a pool table, ping pong table, large play/entertainment area for the
kids, and a mini machine shop in my finished basement, together of course
with a washing machine/dryer, extra fridge & freezer.
My "den" in my "hose" is in my finished attic, a 4th level of housing.

Lets see you "store" half of that stuff in that shit shack that you call
home.
I think what it boils down to is you jokers are just to lazy to dig, and too
technically challenged to design complex housing structures on a routine
basis.
Why else would one brag about having far less living area on the same size
plot of ground ?

Do Americans have to build their own houses, then?

And don't USians still often build houses out of wood?

We also tend not to accumulate so much junk nor demand such huge space. Most
people who want a place for a hobby tend to use the loft, build garden sheds
or use the garage, if we want to workout we go to a gym. It is as you say a
cultural thing, plus the economic, construction and climate issues which
dictate everything about British housing. I don't know anyone who has a
cellar / basement and hasn't had some problem. I've never understood why
anyone would build a basement when for the same cost you can build much
larger rooms above ground if you have the space.

I live in a predominantly Victorian area so everything from two-up-two-down
terraces to eight bedroom 'mansions'. Some have basements / cellars but most
don't. Most have reasonable to substantial gardens. almost all have sheds of
various sizes.

Of course, we've got to accept, from a supremacist's viewpoint, not only is
our lifestyle crap, our culture ( and multi-culturalism ) crap, our health
service and welfare state crap ( thank god Steven Hawking isn't British eh
? ), and everything about Britain crap, that this also includes our housing
which is - you guessed it - crap.

Let's face it, we are inferior. I bet you don't have or need an armed
militia stalking the streets protecting your locale do you ? Me neither.

Jesse was telling us how much it costs to go swimming where he lives so that
tells us one thing for sure - he hasn't got a swimming pool on his property.
Oh well, so much for success. No matter how hard one tries there's always
someone further up the ladder, living in more luxury than you are.

On the bright side; none of here are living in Detroit :-)

I notice you don't mention the food...

All of the civilised folk left Detroit a while ago.... it's only the
losers who are left.

Yes most of them still live in huts and shacks.

I can, and have, build houses from the ground up.
Didn't build my own, but have put extensive additions/improvements on
it, and built my own 4 car garage.
There must be some reason why basements are the norm in most areas here,
and apparently a lavish novelty over there.
Never gave the matter a single brain cells worth of thought until now.

Most houses are framed with wood, then covered with aluminum or vinyl
siding, sure - Brick houses are fairly common as well.

What would you suggest we use ?

We have Poles for that.

Brick.

Self build wooden huts... Just like in Africa

Shanty town like Africa

Outsourcing technical labor skills is hardly anything to brag about ,,,
Though a Pole, in most cases, is quite a large improvement over a Paki.

There are many brick homes here, hope that makes you happy.
Brick structures are far more expensive, and take much longer to
construct, which is why wood framed houses are the majority.

Even many homes that you think are brick are really wood framed.
They have false brick facade panels that attack to the wood framing,
giving them the appearance of a brick home.

The Paki's tend to own the businesses

As in most third world countries it is the same. The rich live in brick
and the losers live in wooden huts and shacks.

Well that is in the USA where they aspire to proper Brick houses as we
have in Europe.

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Yeah, you're a bigot and proud of it, apparently. Congratulations, boo boo.

George

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> George wrote:
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>> "Jesse" <z...@so.org> spewed in message

That explains why it is offored as part of most college curriculums, eh?
Because it is not part of any education? Like I said, dear boy, if you
actually had an education, you would actually know what you are talking
about. No doub,t you skipped out on P.E. in high school as well. So sad
for you.

Poor translation, Jess. In fact, there are more "minorities" in my
neighborhood than whites. Which, by definition, makes them the majority.
Sorry to busrt your bigoted bubble.

That's odd, because you've already shown the rest of us that you don't
actually now what you are talking about.

Yes sir. Absolutely.

I'm not making excuses for anyone, Jesse. I don't live in Mississippi, and
so can't tell you anything about their situation, and neither can you. Oh,
and by the way, there are more blacks in my community using those pools than
whites.

Many poor people can't, in fact, afford to spend their money on such
activities. Sad as that is, it is a fact.

George

> George

Let me stop ya while you are still making sense.
I'm not about to return your line by line hissy fits in kind.

You are a nigger lover and proud of it, good for you.
Wouldn't expect much less from a progressive kike like yourself.

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Umm, define "losers". And just so you know, building standards in the U.S.
are among the highest in the world. Why you guys are arguing about how
Americans build homes is a big mystery. Nothing better to do?

Brick is not the best building material, I'm sorry to say. Brick facades
are not very protective in tornadoes or hurricanes, and are all but useless
and actually can be very dangerous in an earthquake. In fact, in the most
expensive real estate region in the country (San Francisco) it is illegal to
construct any building using brick.

George

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OMG. Do you kiss your momma with that mouth?

George

As usual the US always thinks it is "the best in the world" usually
fro those who have not see the rest of the world.

It is the point that JeSSe always thinks that all Afghans live in caves
and Africans live in huts and shacks. It confuses JeSSe when you point
out that Americans live in huts and shacks just like Africans :-)

No, it is Jesse the Talking Turd. His mother wouldn't get near him, and
that's possibly where his problems began.

> George

You are obviously too yellow to post even the general area where you
live - Perhaps convinced that someone will make good on their threats to
slaughter you and your family.

Here is a white family who found out 1st hand the savage nature of niggers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-R-lOGx3Mc&feature=player_embedded

I hope that you get your ass gang banged by a pack of these dark, feral
beasts - Poetic justice.

JeSSe refused to say where he was for many years.

No one suggested that. Or are you going to miss quote some one again?

Then again the whites are even worse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urpJ7iP-kFg

JeSSe the Closet GAY does more homo-erotic prose he is legendary for.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glOv4MIyNSE&NR=1

What bond? What types of frog?

We had mathematical tiles in some areas in the C18th or so. Not that
common though.

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If you will bother to re-read what I wrote, you will note that I said that
our building standards are among the highest in the world. I didn't say
that they were the "best in the world". But hey, if you can actually
provide something that refutes my statement, have at it.