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Wednesday, April 12. 2006EURid denies .EU landrush abuse. These guys couldn't spin a top.The EURid Registry responds. On Tuesday, Patrik Linden the spokesman for the EURid Registry responded to my allegations of the registry’s gross mishandling of the .EU Landrush. Mr. Linden said my description of the Landrush process was not accurate and that the EURid registry did validate that all registrars accredited to sell .EU were legal entities. A bit of background. This is the third in a series of articles I’ve written about the gross mishandling of the .EU domain name Landrush that took place beginning on April 7th. The problems started because the registry was incredibly lax with who it accepted to be accredited as .EU registrars. Most “legal entities” that wound up being accredited were phantoms set up by savvy operators. They were used to game the Landrush process to get the really valuable names. As a result “everyday” Europeans were pushed out of the process and will undoubtedly be forced to pay exorbitant prices to “middlemen” who gamed the system. He was correct about one thing. Mr. Linden was correct that my description of the mechanics of the Landrush process was an oversimplification, and therefore not entirely accurate. That said, the end result is still the same – maybe a little worse. The more registrars any organization had trying to get a valuable name, the more likely that organization is to get the name. Remember the New York Phantoms? In yesterday’s blog article I described a group of registrars I called the New York Phantoms. This is a group of 400 registrars that were accredited by EURid; none of which have websites, all of which are Delaware LLC’s and all of which have the same registered agent. You can be sure having these 400 registrars working together to get a name gives them a considerable advantage over those registrars who are actually in the business. For the record and so you might understand how the process actually works, here’s a more accurate description of the process: 1. Each accredited registrar could designate up to five I.P. (i.e. Internet Protocol) addresses with which to connect to the registry. 2. Despite the fact that there were five available addresses per registrar, most registrars were able to connect to the registry only once per second. However depending upon the activity at that split second, the registrar could be lucky and connect up to five times, or unlucky and not connect at all. 3. After connecting and making a request for a domain name, whether the registrar was successful or not, the registrar was forced to disconnect and attempt to reconnect again. The process is different. The result is the same. While the above process is different than the queue process I described in my earlier article – connecting then dropping the connection and then attempting to connect again has about the same effect — if a group, like the 400 New York Phantoms, are attempting to grab high value names, they have a significantly greater chance of getting that name than any single legitimate registrar. A single registrar got five connections. Think about it, the legitimate registrar will attempt to connect and issue requests with its five connections – which it must constantly give up – and then attempt to re-establish. Large phantom groups get thousands of connections. The New York Phantoms, in turn, will attempt to connect and issue requests with their 2000 (5 X 400 = 2000) connections. Because of their vast number of connections, they pretty much are always connected. I think it’s worse than I described earlier. So you see, Mr. Linden is correct. The actual technical process is somewhat different than the simplified scenario I described earlier. When you think about it, the actual process probably favors those gaming the system more than I described. Thank you, Mr. Linden. Mr. Linden’s amazing claim. Finally, Mr. Linden seemed proud that the EURid registry verified that each applicant was a legal entity before it was accredited. Take a moment and think about what that means. You can form a “legal entity” for $50 – an LLC – and you are good to go. Is that what we want a registry to do? Don’t we want them instead to make sure that the organization it allows to provide end-users with its domain names – especially Europe’s very own domain name – are actually in the domain name registration business? Registrars without websites? EURid accredited more than 580 phantom registrars who do not even have websites How is it possible for a company that doesn’t have a website to be in the domain name registration business? So let’s back up a bit. The hard fact is that the EURid registry verified one thing and one thing only. The EURid registry verified that for every registrar application there was a check for 10,000 eurors ($12,000 U.S.) to deposit into the EURid bank account. The gang that couldn’t shoot straight. The very fact that Mr. Linden takes refuge in saying that the EURid Registry verified that all registrars were legal entities, tells us how incredibly inept Europe’s very own registry happens to be. It seems like nothing is going to be done. I continue to wonder if the European commission is going to take any action here. My guess is they won’t, but who knows I could be wrong. As Journalist Linda Ellerbee would say, “And So It Goes…” ![]() ![]() Comments Display comments as (Linear | Threaded) Page 1 of 3 The release of the rejected domains of landrush 1 was a complete desaster as well. .eu is sold off by domaingrabbers.
Only the tip of the iceberg is tempus enterprises Ltd. You can read more at: www.no-product.eu or www.tempusenterprises.eu ![]() REPLY FROM EURID. 07/06/06 Dear Sir, We would like to thank you for your email and inform you that your complaint has been escalated to our legal department where the matter will be looked into. The purpose of the Sunrise period was to make sure that anyone who had a legitimate prior right to a name had the opportunity to apply for that name as a .eu domain name. The names that will be released after Sunrise are those for which no one could prove a prior right and therefore these names will become available to register for anyone fulfilling the general eligibility criteria. Please note that according to the EC Regulation 874/2004, the registry may revoke a domain name of its own initiative exclusively on the grounds of the holder's non-fulfillment of the general eligibility criteria or where the contact details provided are erroneus. In cases where there is a suspicion regarding speculative or improper registration of the registered domain name, any interested party is free to start an appropriate judicial or extrajudicial procedure against domain name holder. Regarding the possibility of registering many domain names: Some of registrants used more than one registrar what increased their chances. There was no obligation to use only one registrar. Some registrars provided online systems to which their clients tried to connect today. However some had an internal queques and submitted applications on behalf of their clients one after another almost automatically when the system was opened. That may describe the frequency how some companies may have managed to register more domain names than others. Kind Regards The EURid Team Here' a copy of my letter that I sent to EURID,
and their response: (FOLLOWING COMMENT) 7/06/06 European Registry of Internet Domain Names Belgium Dear Sir or Madam I have to say that I firmly believe that there is something underhand going on with the Release of Domain names today. I had a list of 13 domain names that I was going to try for, hoping that maybe, I may get one. I was on the system at 10am, your time, and I tried to book these from before 11am your time – using one Irish account, and in frustration also 1&1internet UK – which I have an account. Neither site was able to say that any of the domains were available – so they would not even process a sale. Of the 13 I had on my list 9, Yes 9 were successfully obtained by one company – Ovidio Limited, These names were: FITNESSFIRST.EU BUSINESSMEDIA.EU HOLIDAYWORLD.EU TRAVELONLINE.EU ASIANS.EU AUS.EU SURFERSPARAD ISE.EU SIX-PACK.EU 6PACK.EU THE 4 REMAINNG SITES WERE TO DIFFERENT COMPANIES/INDIVIDUALS TAXBACK.EU PUREBUSINESS.EU FO ODNETWORK.EU MYCAREER.EU I have a 1 MEG/1 MEG commercial internet connection, and could not even process a full application for one of the sites for over 30 minutes, - how could one company namely OVIDIO Ltd, successful process all of the above 9 sites (and probably more – that are not on my list) when I could not even process one – I’m sure there were thousands of applicants. How could they possibly obtain most of the best sites – if all things were equal ? Here’s hoping to not getting a lame response. Yours sincerely Gordon Mc Cormack ————————————————————- Hello mr. Parsons,
I appreciate the concern about the eu issue but now I am a bit confused about the 7th june released eu domains. 80% of the domains (for example cow.eu / dora.eu / sociology.eu) we tried to get, are taken by Ovidio Limited [www.ovidiolimited.com] all with the New York registrars, in the first seconds. Maybe I am wrong but why is www.ovidiolimited.com a by GoDaddy registered domain? Is Ovidio Limited in any way related to GoDaddy? Kind regards, Martijn tH I backordered a domain name with Godaddy a couple of weeks ago: e-businessconsultancy.com and guess what.. the same spam-m0f0s managed to grab it before i could. Having already registered the co.uk i am not exactly amused.
Thanks for this great post. You've got some really good info in your blog.
Tom Goodman http://www.Registeredagentprogram.com I was a bit fed up like everyone else not to get at least 1 of the 25 eu domains I tried to obtain during landrush.
After reading this blog I decided to try and get a response from the EURid myself. I was specifically interested in what they had to say about what are obviously bogus registrara actually appearing on their "accredired2 list. ———————————————————————————- ————— > Dear Sir/Madam > > I am interested in a domain name that I think is still being contested > at the moment and which may be released in the 2nd landrush on 7th June. > > After having read several articles which seem to cast doubt over the > legitimacy of many of the claims made during the sunrise and 1st > landrush periods, by bogus registrars making illegitimate claims I > decided to have a look at your published list of 'accredited' registrars. > > One compnay based in Austria, 'Elsbethen', it seems has 30 separate > listings as an 'accredited' registrar on your website. All their > 'separate' websites all route the user to this one > http://www.realtime.at > > On this website, eg. at http://www.realtime.at/landrush2-en/, you can > read about how this company will attempt to register a domain for you > if you are the higgest bidder in their auction for domains that receive more than 1 request. > > "The minimum offer per catch order is EUR 100 net (EUR 120 incl. VAT). > Only bids in stages of EUR 100 net are possible." > > > 1. It appears that this company will have 30 times more chance of > registering a domain while they stand in line, compared to a company > only represented once in your queuing system. This cannot be correct can it, please reassure me? > > 2. On your website page listing 'accredited' registrars you issue a > warning to users -"Beware of .eu pre-registration sites from > non-accredited registrars and of registrars "pooling" their > pre-registrations with others to auction to the highest bidder those names where multiple applications are received." > > It appears to me that this company is operating outside your own rules here. > > > Please advise. > > Jon Jackson ———————————————————————————- Their response: Dear Sir, Thank you very much for your email. Our legal department will have a look at this issue. However, please be aware of the fact that the mentioned company is not an accredited registrar and EURid has no contractual relations with said company. Kind regards, the EURid team —————————————————————————- Appar ently I am to be aware that a company listed on their own online list of accredited registrars is not actually accredited!! Confused? I am! I can only support the concern with respect to Traffic Web Holding BV
they have snatched some other domains, even there have been trade mark rights since almost a decade. Can someone help with a legal representation in order to go to the ADR court? Many thanks Your CM Back in August 2003, I pre-registered the domain names swingers.eu and dirtydavid.eu with a company called registereu.com which was "registered" to accept pre registrations for the .eu names.
I paid the fee of 40 UK pounds per domain. The day after the release of the domain names the company website (registereu.com) was a "monetization" site. No means of contact - no phone numbers, addresses, email addresses, and emails sent to the address from which the domains were "pre-ordered" are bounced back, and the control panel for managing domains has gone. The domain names were taken by others, dirtydavid.eu is now a monetization site with a price on its head. A company called SEDO (who claim to be in partnership with google) now want me to pay them 49$ to begin negotiations to buy the name, then want further sums (minimum 50$) to register the name if they are successfull. I have decided to let the names go, its not worth the hassles. I am sure that the whole .eu name will quickly be seen as worthless by end users, as they are looking for websites not market places. I am very glad I found go-daddy, despite not getting any of the .eu names I tried to buy for my customers through yourselves. David What does success rate mean anyway?
If I try to register sfsaffdgdsgf.eu, my success rate is 100%, but if I try to register sex.eu it's 0%! I strongly doubt the correct handling of .eu registrations. Being in a start-up phase I checked the availability of my company name´s .eu address a couple of times. I was not able to register before sometime end of March. I then got an e-mail from my provider telling me that someone had registered the same address earlier. Through www.whois.eu I checked the registrar. And hey, it was the company I used to check availability of the address with. To add to the fun: the address is registered on behalf of a company that can not be traced through Google, that has an invalid phone number, an invalid e-mail address and an unknown web address. (The .eu version of that web address is still available (!)) I have no idea what to do now. The registrar´s web site has disappeared (personalnames.com). Best regards, Belfi One of the things that EUrid managed to evade so far is the scale of the damage to .eu:
700 bogus registrars. Each registrar has to prepay 10000 Euros. Each new .eu registration costs 10 Euros. Each registrar can register 1000 domains with the prepayment. 700 * 1000 = 700,000 .eu squatted/speculative domains. 700,000 domains out of approximately 1.6 million. That's over 43% of .eu domains. So these guys, if they've registered the maximum number of domains, are potentially squatting 700000 .eu domain names. And the 700 bogus registrars figure is a conservative estimate. Well, Bob its obvious your ahead of the regitry of .eu itself. As mentioned above do not use your time on thoose sceptics.
I myself can only hope and wait that the phantoms get their names lost BEFORE the poor paying EU Company has to pay for it 10$ x 1000. All in all i will just add that your doing a great job as the CEO of GoDaddy, my clients like your service. O btw, cant wait to listen to that radio interview with NEVERDIE (I host/run his site ![]() Keep watch Godaddy. It is secure and reliable comp.
My xx.eu domain rejected. And Godaddy refunded me in 20 days after rejection. Thanks much for Godaddy and Bob Parsons. I hope with this company will be the best this industry in 2 years. Let's wait.. Thanks Bob ![]() Bob,
I appreciate your point about the 'bogus' registrars not registering domains on behalf of customers. In my view this would render them invalid. However, in other respects, they seem to have met the eurid requirements. This then raises the question, why did you not create some more (legitimate) registrars yourself, for the purpose of increasing your customers chances of acquiring their domain(s) of choice ? You used 3 - would 300 not have been better ? Thank you Bob, fasinating! and informative! Youre group of companies will put your commentary into your advertizing and promotions as usuall and we love you for it !
Dear Bob,
I phoned with Nick F. who was interested in networking with us ( eudomaindesaster.org ) in case of the fiasco. We should work together. Only from the States it will be too difficult to put pressure on EUrid. Bye Daniel eudomaindesaster.org freeze all cheated .eu and lets have a public landrush3 Hi Bob,
I was trying to register Jeanette.eu for my girlfriend through godaddy.com. I did not get it. I traced the domain to a person in germany who registred the domain through www.geminisoftwarellc.com. If you go to this website, you will see only a coming soon announcement. I did a whois and the registrant was domainnamesystems.com. YOU WERE RIGHT! Now how do we find someone in the EU who will take responsibility? Apparently this Linden person is not the one. I will ask my eu commisioner to ask questions in the eu parliament. Really a shame, but sadly not surprising. It seems that Europe is crowded with negligents. Not so time ago the .es (spanish) domain was also hit by a lot of these phantoms.
On the other hand, I'd appreciate it if Godaddy offers .cat domains. The sunrise period is finishing this week, and yet much people are waiting to a good registrar to order the domains, since the current possibilities are simply a rip-off. EU Commission Tells .EU Registrar to Investigate Abuse
BRUSSELS, April 20 — Less than two weeks after the launch of the .EU internet domain was welcomed as a tremendous success, the European Commission has acknowledged that the .EU registration system was open to abuse by 'cybersquatters' from in- and outside the European Union. The Commission, the executive body in the EU, has ordered chief registrar Eurid to investigate the irregularities and to revoke illegal registrations. Suspicions of abuse were first signalled last week by a number of bloggers on the internet, specifically by Bob Parsons, CEO of GoDaddy.com, a U.S. internet company. Other internet-publications have also reported on what they call a "fiasco" with the .eu registrations. "The Commission has brought this question to the attention of the Registry, which is currently assessing whether there are grounds for legal action," said commission spokesman Andrew Boreham in a written response to questions about the .eu domain. ...for more, go to www.europeanaffairschannel.net Well, how in US formed LLC was able to register these domains? Domains can be registered trough them but not for them, so they have to give them back to EU people!
EU domain should be owned only by EU citizens/organizations! and not any other scam artists for 50$ buck ! Why are the US citizens whining and taking shots at the Europeans citizens/governments/organisations?!
Most cheaters are US companies. You should be happy, folks! Great article Bob. I am glad that someone is taking this abuse seriously. I applied for a few .eus and only got a couple (which were obscure I was probably the only person going for them). The coincidence is that 3 of the very generic ones went to the same person, all very diverse domains. What a coincidence! The name of the winner was LehighBasin.com. I look for this company out of curiosity and find it is only a company in name recently set up. No website, no listing at all on google. I then search the internet more and come across a news group that said:
"There was a group of Americans who did a similar thing. They signed up 90 registrars in Bellevue and Vancouver, and have registered over 1000 3 letter .eu domains and 30,000 domains in total. Around 22nd March they set up 8 shell companies: aphroditeventures.com, lexiconmedialtd.com, fienna.com, worldonlineendeavours.com, lehighbasin.com, namebattery.com, vinitsia.com, hanoki.com. Although these look like different companies, the same person / people is behind all of them." And there was that mysterious name again - lehighbasin.com. I realized now that the money I paid for pre-registering these domains was completely wasted as I actually had a much smaller chance of winning the names than I originally believed. (The registrar I used don't refund money if the pre-registration application is unsuccessful.) We are very confused. We registered a series of .eu domains including fattorini.eu (the name of our company, established in 1827) and we managed to get them all except fattorini.eu. We have discovered that the company who successfully registered this domain is Vinitsia one of the named 'shell' companies in a previous blog, which registeded in Sweeden.
Fattorini is a rare name, not very sweedish, and not a random or generic name that would be useful to anyone (inless you are called Fattorini). I therefore smell a rat. If anyone wants to use this as a possible example of unethical and opportunistic practice - they are welcome to do so. Hi Tony,
Do you have any more info on this topic?... as I'm still trying to register a domain name that has been taken by worldonlineendeavours.com and I'm sure they did it on bad purpose.... CU, Hello,
I have a similar problem with worldonlineendeavours.com They have registred a brandname who belongs to the company for which I work. Is there a solution ? Dear CL,
It depends if their going to kite the name or permanently register it. If their kiting it, you can place a backorder it and dry to snag it when it drops. If they permanently register it, and you have it trademarked you can contact them and demand it back or threaten to file a WIPO (WORLD INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY CLAIM). The WIPO claim last I heard costs $1,500 and if you do in fact have a trademark, you will be pretty sure to get the name back. More than lifely you may have to repurchase it for something less than the $1,500. Appreciate your post, Bob Unrelated:
Bob, I just wanted to show you a little something I wrote about you: http://mark.phirefast.com =) Keep it up. We're living the American Dream. (Of Business, ya know!) So true, so true.
It's much like the scenario of any war of numbers. 400x5 vs 1x5. Who's going to win? Just another money-grab, what happened to legal registrars having the advantage? GoDaddy.com, among many other domain companies, are being mauled by people who just want to cheat at business. And these issuers are just making it easier for them! In heated controversy, I hope those people choke. - Stan I love how the Europeans rag on americans, but their governments are so much more corrupt than ours. No action will be taken because the government(s) don't care! I do not even think payoffs had to be made...they just don't care. Legit registrars are going to get irate calls from customers who then have to listen to an explanation of what happened.
I guess it's the older "letter of the law" versus "spirit of the law" dilema...and spirit always looses. Another .eu scandal?
Today, I visited an old string on this blog website. It concerned the issue of the Godaddy SuperBowl advertisement (Jan 27, 2006). You replied to a customer who was thinking of moving his domains to a German competitor operating on US soil. The link to this string is due to the competitor being involved in a very suspicious move concerning the registration of .eu domains (see: www.bankraid.com/archive/0511/051115_eu_trick.htm). Also, in the reply you gave, you mentioned my campaign colleague's website, www.wasitfree.com. I just want to explain that a lot of this website's material was provided by www.bankraid.com. Therefore, to view the original material, and important updates, then it is www.bankraid.com which is the website to visit. Please further note that www.wasitfree.com was (in fact) designed to represent a group legal action against the competitor in question - a competitor with many angry customers in the USA and the UK (see: www.bankraid.com/blogs/index.htm). Regards, Chris H. The Go Daddy Group had a 32.5% success rate.
I personally have received 1(one)name out of 130. My godaddy result is less than 1%. It is very interesting to read what has happened with this process. As usual its a complete mess as all the people involved in Eurid don't seem to know what they are doing.
My friend registered a domainname through GoDaddy.com. It was rejected after he sent in the paperwork, so we decided to wait for the Landrush period to start. GoDaddy is still saying that the application is pending. The whois.eu register says the domainname was rejected but no further appliations have been made. I also tried to register the domainname through 1&1.co.uk only to be told that the domainname was already registered... I don't know how that can happen when the whois.eu states its not.... What the hell is going on? Another fine case of what happens when bureauocracy gets involved I guess. The whole thing was a gigantic rip-off. All it does it show that the mafioso types rule the net, but there again, we already knew that.
I ordered about 330 names not expecting to get that many, in the end I got 4, the cruddiest ones, incase something like this happened. What happened April 7th will have repercussions for years to come as .EU sites are endlessly for sale at astronomical prices, parked with pop-up ads, click-thru junk that no-one wants. Rather than a positive move for Europe, Dot Ee You just got dragged down into the mire of worms, trojans, viruses and everything else that the Net has come to represent. Bricks & mortrar outfits will be happy. Enjoy your sweet retirement in the Bahamas, EURid, for a perfect stitch-up. Sin Cojones. Page 1 of 3 Add Comment
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Excerpt: Lots of people seem to be upset with the recent .eu domain landrush. In case you’ve been up in space for the past week, dot eu is the new all Europe ccTLD meant for the citizens and businesses of Europe. It was launched April 7th and is alr...
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Excerpt: Pois é, o registo de domÃnios .eu está a dar barraca! De facto, o chamado landrush, cuja intenção era tornar o processo mais justo, acabou por ficar viciado e é agora um esquema que vai render milhões a algumas empresas! Esse processo, que comeÃ...
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